Barbarian 2022 review / Richard's eerie experience at The Villisca Axe Murder House

Its Esme and Laura again! We dive deep into the 2022 horror film 'Barbarian', a movie that left us stunned from start to finish with its twists and turns (literally!), unsettling atmosphere, and brilliant misdirection.

• Multiple story perspectives that completely subvert expectations and keep you guessing
• Perfect casting of Bill Skarsgård (Pennywise from "It") creating immediate suspicion that plays with audience expectations
• Underlying themes of stranger danger, female vulnerability, and the consequences of selfish decisions
• Clever use of an abandoned Detroit neighborhood as a setting that amplifies the isolation and danger
• Exploration of what makes someone truly monstrous – is it the creature in the basement or the seemingly normal people we encounter?
• A third act that delivers one of the most memorable and disturbing horror scenes in recent memory

Then we discuss an entry from Richard J of his first hand eerie experience at the Villisca Axe Murder house!

If you have a real-life scary story you'd like to share, email us at chicascucuy@gmail.com – your story might be featured in an upcoming episode!

Chapters

• 0:29 Introduction to Chicas Cucuy
• 1:17 Setting Up The Barbarian (2022)
• 10:46 Tess Arrives at the Rental House
• 17:33 Meeting Keith: Friend or Foe?
• 31:12 Exploring the Basement Horror
• 43:56 Enter AJ: A Different Perspective
• 55:24 The Barbarian's True Identity Revealed
• 1:08:52 Final Confrontation at the Water Tower
• 1:44:04 Richard J'. true eerie experience at The Villisca Axe Murder House

Transcript

Laura: 0:29

The Hello listeners. I'm Laura and I'm Esme, and we are Chicas Cucuy. Thank you for tuning in to our podcast.

Esme: 0:38

This is a podcast dedicated to horror movies and real life cucuys. We take a deep dive into the horror film world and bring you the latest and greatest and sometimes the not so great. We will give you our cinematic reviews and insights to what makes them so terrifyingly good. And please beware of spoilers.

Laura: 0:53

We want you to be happy hearing us, not mad at us for telling you what happens, and after each session we'll feature a real life scary story.

Esme: 1:00

If you have one to share, we'd love to hear about it and, hey, it may even end up in one of our episodes. Tune in if you dare. Hello everyone, welcome back. We're going to be reviewing the movie the barbarian 2022 now. This movie obviously is not new and didn't come out this year, but it was new for me and it was new for laura because we hadn't seen it. Where the hell were we on 2022 that we didn't?

Laura: 1:35

see this. I don't know, but the way that we came about watching this movie was because I started talking to my co-workers about like the fact that we all like horror movies and whatever. We all had like a nice conversation about our interests and they both agreed that the barbarian was a good movie to watch and that it was. I can't remember what words they used, but it was like a something that made me directly ask like what do you mean? Like, is it nasty, is it gory? Like what do you mean by that? That it's like a crazy story.

Laura: 2:04

I don't know if they the word crazy, but they use a word that left me wondering, like what they meant, because I feel like I've seen enough movies where I kind of know like what category they fall in in like scary slash horror, like what type? Like supernatural, is it like a gory movie or is it like a traumatizing, unsettling storyline, all of that? So they were like they're like it's nasty, like there's a little bit of gore, but you'll see if you watch it. And I was kind of like that doesn't really help, I'm so confused.

Laura: 2:34

And then the barbarian like I was thinking about barbara and the barbarian like I thought it was gonna be like an old, ancient movie like a warrior, a warrior stuff that's the first thing that comes into my head to when I hear it.

Esme: 2:45

Because of Conan, I didn't think it was gonna be like an old ancient movie like a warrior, a warrior stuff.

Laura: 2:47

That's the first thing that comes into my head to what I hear it because the conan I didn't think it was gonna be like. Modern is what I'm saying, and in the sense of like it's like in the 20, uh, after the 21st century, like that in itself. When I saw the preview on amazon prime that's where I rented it on I saw that the girl was in a car. Like the house looked like a house from nowadays. I'm like, wait, wait, what like this doesn't take place in the ancient times?

Esme: 3:06

Okay, weird and guess what? You can watch it on hulu for free.

Laura: 3:10

Really?? no listeners, it's on hulu, which is dumb because I have a hulu yeah, and we purchased it on prime but anyways, who cares?

Laura: 3:17

yeah, so I ordered it and I watched it with like two people. The other girl that I watched it with, vanessa, shout out to Vanessa. We were both, like, from beginning to end, on edge, and for me the word stunned means like you're like without words, that you don't know what just happened. You don't know what's happening next. I was literally stunned from the moment it started to the end, and I'll say this that I haven't watched a movie, I don't think in like the last five years or more, that has made me feel like that.

Esme: 3:44

And what is like that?

Laura: 3:46

I can't think of a movie that has actually made me feel that way, which is what we want to know what no I don't know, I'm thinking like I don't think. Now that I'm thinking about it more, I don't think a movie has ever made me feel like that, like how, what's that? I just said, stunned, like from beginning to end.

Laura: 3:59

I thought you were gonna express more so, yeah, like the other girl I was watching it with, she bit her. She said I bit all my nails off, like we were not even like according to the movie. So, whatever, I told Esmeralda, like we have to, you have to watch this movie. Like you have to watch it now, like tonight, and then it's so crazy?

Esme: 4:16

because I actually have. I had it saved on my phone as something to possibly watch. Why? Because my phone knows that I like horror movies, so it randomly suggests movies to me sometimes and it was one that it threw at me like, oh, have you seen this? You should watch it. My phone, you know how phones do that, but anyways, it was. I had saved it, and when you told me the title to watch it, I'm like, oh, you know what? I think I have it on my to watch list but I've never seen it or heard of it before. It was just my phone telling me, you know. Okay, let's get to the overview so we know what we're talking about. So on here per google. It says a young woman discovers a rental home she booked is already occupied by a stranger. Against her better judgment, she decides to spend the night but soon discovers there's a lot more to fear than just the unexpected house guest and then, if just a reminder, I'm like the thriller girl over here.

Laura: 5:04

So when I read that on the preview I was like, oh, I for sure want to watch it tonight because it was it was nighttime, it was a friday, I had like nothing to do. So I was like, oh, this sounds like a good movie that's gonna like have a twist, which it does. It has like three or two, but still my like like that whole overview that you just read is a little misleading because it makes you feel like it's a different type of thriller, but it's like actually like full-on horror movie it's true, there's a lot more to fear than just the unexpected.

Laura: 5:31

I just finished watching a thriller on netflix and I liked it. It crossed my mind like, oh, we could review this one. But I'm like, wait, no, we can't because it's not a horror movie, it's more full on thriller. So that's what I thought this one was going to be categorized under, like one that maybe we can't even review. But like no, like now I'm telling you, now I understand everything that my co-workers are saying and I wanted to text him in that moment, like I just watched it.

Esme: 5:53

I know what you meant, but I was like, nah, it's a weekend leave him alone, but I I told him come monday so you could continue on with the overview well, that was basically the overview, but I mean it does give you a hint, like okay, that's not just like what the problem is, but like it just tells you there's a lot more to fear than just the unexpected house guest. So can't lose it open, like yeah, that was not the problem. The problem is something else. It just leaves it very open.

Laura: 6:16

Watch we'll just get into it.

Esme: 6:17

I like that's one of the things that I like, because it was unexpected I thought the bad person was someone that at the end, wasn't, and I think that was part of the point. Yeah, and I love that they did that and shout out to bill what's his name?

Laura: 6:30

skars gard that opens the door. And I was like what? Because, I'm telling you, when I clicked the movie, I didn't know who was gonna be in the movie.

Esme: 6:37

So when I saw it, I was like what what a treat. It's so funny we still call him " yeah, no matter where he comes out, we're like yeah, he's it.

Laura: 6:46

And my dad was even like hey, that's it so that's how famous he is like to someone who's not even into movies or anything like he knew yeah, and he didn't have the makeup on and my dad's like, oh, his eyes, what the hell. And I was like, yeah, that's IT.

Esme: 6:57

okay, damn, I think I was gonna say this nothing to do with the movie. I was gonna say that earlier when you said, like, oh, it was a Friday night, we had nothing to do. Remember Faded Fright Nights? Yes, I do. Fun fact. Fun fact you guys are listening to Chicas Cucuy, but in another, parallel universe you guys would be listening to Faded Fright Nights and that came from us wanting to do things like a Friday night and we were going to release these stories or reviews on friday nights. And we still give a little nod to it in the beginning of our podcast, because we still hear the little clink in the beginning. So it's a little fun fact. You guys ever wonder why we do a cheers? It's because originally it would have been faded right nights and we would have been drinking probably right, yeah, but then we didn't want to sound drunk or slurring, so we scrapped that idea we wanted to take a professional route.

Esme: 7:47

Yeah, let's be professional, professional- ish, because I'm not gonna say we're professional, okay, so, anyways, okay. So, in a nutshell, they describe it as unsettling, harrowing and eerie it's more than more than eerie and harrowing and unsettling. Unsettling for sure.

Laura: 8:01

But harrowing and eerie those more. No, stunning sounds too positive, it's like terrifying traumatizing yeah terrifying. Terrifying is a good word for it this is not a horror. It was a terror movie. I give this movie like 15 out of 10. That's how. I can't even wait to rate it at the end of the show, like I did it right now, because that's how good it is, all right so we're gonna give a shout out to zach crager the, the director.

Esme: 8:24

Great job, great job.

Laura: 8:27

Do you want to mention that? Like I did know who the actress was. I don't know if you know who she was. Yeah, I remember her from a Black Mirror episode.

Esme: 8:33

Yeah, I remembered her too. I couldn't. I think it was till the end that I was like where have I seen her? I was like thinking about it.

Laura: 8:45

But you but you know I was happy for her that she got like a bigger role. I mean, black mare is also a really big franchise and it's probably like a big step to be in involved in that, you know, a production of black mare. But I thought this movie was cool like because she had like a really good co-star that's super famous and then, yeah, like you said, she had a main role.

Esme: 8:58

Yeah, good for her a little bit more about the cast, so yeah, so that was georgina campbell, which we're talking about, tess, which she was like the main protagonist that was terrorized and then, okay, bill skarsgård goes without saying and, of course, when we see him in this movie, I immediately thought, oh my god, he's gonna be some psycho ass guy that's gonna kill her. He's the barbarian, like right away. Because, also, I went into this movie without having any like background information at all, so just by you telling me, oh, you have to watch it, drop what you're doing, whatever you're doing, watch it now. And I was like, okay, no, yeah, the crazy part is that zach crager, which he's here in the cast, is also the director and he had a little mini little part that he gave himself and I think it was because there was no one to fill in, so he it was like a friend of the.

Esme: 9:49

There's like three main stars in this in the movie. Yeah, so in the first half, bill skarsgård he doesn't actually get far as far as we want him to. He's like in the first half of the movie, right. So like if the movie was like, if there was like an intermission and an act one and act two, he would be an act one mention the jeepers creepers actor.

Laura: 10:06

He's another really good actor that hasn't made a part two he hasn't made a debut in a while. Who?

Esme: 10:11

we talking about justin long. Yeah, Justin Long. It's weird because justin long I always see him like in like other kind of movies. I don't, I forgot about you.

Laura: 10:20

I forgot he was in jeepers creepers, that's what I know him from jeepers creepers really well, yeah, and he's right here in another horror movie and I thought it was cool, because I haven't. I have maybe okay, so never mind you, you know he's a still active actor. I I didn't know that, yeah, just I've never seen him since that's funny.

Esme: 10:36

No, I remember him from Drag me to hell. Well, you know what he does come out in horror movies.

Esme: 10:40

Oh yeah, drag me to hell, but he's never like a scary person or a bad person, right, he always does, usually like uh, uh, como se llama? Like a good boyfriend. Yeah, like he like he has like a good boyfriend, like he seems like cool or like sometimes he's like funny, like he's like always like a good guy, you know, like in in movies. So jeepers, creepers, barbarian. Obviously he came out in dodgeball, see, that's the thing. I remember him also coming out in funny movies like dodgeball.

Esme: 11:03

Galaxy quest has a darkness test live free or die hard, accepted. Alvin and the chipmunks, comet idiocracy waiting. So like dear david, it's a wonderful knife. So I guess he does have horror movies, the way christmas with the campbells. He's well-rounded creep show, jsn bob reboot, vhs and beyond. So that's kind of hard. Also clerks three. So yeah, he definitely comes out in different kind of movies, but I never see him as like an evil person. Look at his face. He looks all like a nice little guy, that's like harmless. But anyways, in this movie he is like a diva, um and a mega jerk, right, like we.

Laura: 11:40

That's what I meant yeah, like we go in, like he's like very entitled, like I'm I'm a star, like yeah because he does like, and plays AJ and he's like a jerk boy.

Esme: 11:48

When we find that out, like as soon as we see him, at first we were like okay, whatever, but you know what? That he's an act two.

Laura: 11:54

So let's go back to act one like talk about it, shout out like damn.

Esme: 11:58

Another, another, really cool actor and then like the other ones that like play a big part, obviously are the mother, which we'll talk about her later. He plays a lady, the scary one. What?

Laura: 12:08

the hell.

Esme: 12:09

Why? Because they needed an ugly ass broad, so like they made him an ugly lady, it should have been this one, Richard Brake, he was the, so yeah.

Laura: 12:22

Well, it should have been a freaking woman too.

Esme: 12:27

That's because he looks shot out right there. Okay, are we leaving that in there?

Laura: 12:31

I don't know okay no, yeah, we can leave it there because it's not. It's not his fault, it's not our fault that google decided to put an ugly picture so, okay, let's not put that.

Esme: 12:38

Anyways, the plane was passing by, okay, so. And then, of course, uh, shout out to the mother, which is played by matthew patrick davis we didn't know who he was because he was in full makeup and richard brake, who is frank, and he is like a vital, terrible role here. There's a bunch of other actresses, but I guess they played smaller parts, because I don't remember who cares about that. We didn't talk about hey, where's the oldest guy? Oh, here is james butler. Hey, you try to help, and then died at the end. And then Robert, he was like a neighbor, which was Will Greenberg, and then Kurt Braunholder, derek Morris, blah, blah, blah. I don't remember half of these people that are in this movie.

Laura: 13:16

Yeah, like I said, I mean thank you for contributing to such a great movie, but we don't know where you came out in or we don't remember you, so you're not going to be mentioned.

Esme: 13:24

but good job for I mean, I mentioned them some.

Laura: 13:26

Yeah, we'll let do it. Okay. So let's start with the initial scene of a rainy night, which already is like the worst possible situation in my opinion, because why are you going to roll up to airbnb, try to find all that stuff with your like okay, so let's mentally, let's mentally I rented a lot and I know what it is to like. You need to have all that beforehand. And she was over there wrestling with, like her things, her phone, trying to find the pin I'm like girl, you don't have that written down already or like the crazy part is that she did have it.

Esme: 13:54

It just didn't work at first, right.

Laura: 13:55

But remember that she was looking at houses like unsure which one it was like all of that, I don't know besides, it was rainy, it was like pitch black, like there was no lights.

Esme: 14:04

So she was driving, driving, driving trying to find that was really sad and finally, okay, she's following her gps or whatever, right, because she gets there and then she's like as it is I mean, when it's rainy and dark, you can't see shit. Even you could be in your own street and everything looks like you can't even see nothing, right? So she's over here like what the hell? Okay, let me look for this pin. Because she knew that she had to just like run into the house. She didn't know the neighborhood and of course you're going to be looking around and being like, okay, where am I? Type of thing Like look at your surroundings before you get out on a rainy, dark night. Right, like a normal person, see. So she gets there, it's pouring rain, perfect, first bad sign. Is what?

Laura: 14:48

That she's trying to enter the house and for some reason the pin's not working. But then she realizes she inputted the wrong number. So then you get like like your emotions are on a little rollercoaster with her, because then you think, like what? Like how does your pin not work for the Airbnb? But then she punched it in. It was correct now. So you're like okay, good, everything's good. But then there's no key. So you're back to square one. Like what the hell? How is there no key?

Esme: 15:02

remember, first she looks around in the neighborhood and that's when she starts realizing, like, dude, like, because the light is on right, the porch light is on yeah, which for me brings like someone home.

Laura: 15:10

That's just me, though I think, it was supposed to give you a hint that someone was home when she's there and she's on the porch.

Esme: 15:15

So think of it like this like there's light on the porch. But she starts looking around because she looked at toward her car and she's like, fuck, I'm going to go back to my car because it's freezing, I'm sure, because it's raining. And she's looking across the street and looking around and she sees that everything is pitch black and that gives us I mean me, when I was watching it a real sense of like what the hell? Because you're like dude, is there any? Everybody's asleep. There's no light in anybody else's house. Am I the only solar powered house here? Why do I light in anybody else's house? Am I the only solar powered house here? Why do I have light? No one else?

Laura: 15:45

so it already gives you a creepy feeling and it's raining, so like for me it gives me an ugly feeling because of the fact that you know if there's people out there, they could see you, but you can't see them. That's always what I'm thinking, yeah, when I have light on me and I can't see yeah, I hate that.

Laura: 15:57

So like she runs back to the car, right suddenly it then becomes clear to us as an audience and to her that there's someone else in the house. And then she had attempted to also get a hold of the property management that, I guess, rented her the space and it was so annoying that they're not answering and there's no one that she could reach, because it's like you put yourself in those shoes, like what am I supposed to do in this situation? I literally paid, so the least you can do is answer my call and help me find a solution. Whatever, it was a trip that there was someone in there. So she goes and starts knocking and basically trying to settle the situation herself. Like these are my rental days. So like when you have, when you have confidence, you have a receipt. Like you, you want to go and approach the situation, like hey, this is my time to be in the airbnb. Like who are you? What are you doing? That's when I mentioned earlier already. I kind of like moved ahead, but the door opens and it's Bill Skarsgård.

Esme: 16:45

I know that was a nice surprise. I saw him and I'm like what you're in this movie, what you doing here, I know. Did you know that he has like seven brothers or something? No, and some of them are actors, and his dad too. Remember, that's his dad, the one that comes out in Pirates of the Caribbean.

Laura: 17:02

William Turner goes to a bootstrap bill well, he's the most successful one from his brothers, because I don't recognize anybody else but they come out of movies too, I know, but I have not dug that deep. They kind of look alike, they do well, good for them, good for all of them.

Esme: 17:14

So she goes up and the light turns on and he opens the door and she's like, taken aback, like what the hell are you doing here? It becomes awkward, uncomfortable. They both decipher the fact that they both rented the house at first. She's like, no, I rented it. He's like, well, I rented this too. Um, I just happened to get here before you, basically. So like she shows him like look, this is my rental agreement confirmation. Like I don't know if at that moment he doesn't do that right away, he doesn't show her his right right away until they're inside like I have to get my phone.

Laura: 17:44

You want to come inside and she's kind of hesitant like I don't know, because stranger danger, you know so, I guess because they're at an impasse, and she's like well, okay, obviously I'm gonna find another place.

Esme: 17:56

And he's like well, do you want to come in? Like it's pouring rain? Our gut feeling as a woman female in a place that we don't know you're like who the hell is this guy?

Laura: 18:05

I feel like our gut instinct would tell us no, hell, no like he hasn't showed you like the confirmation either, so you don't know if he also just broke in and that could be yeah so, like, either way, it seems really sketchy, like it just seems like really, what a coincidence.

Esme: 18:18

There's a guy in my rental, you know, and it's not like you're there with other people, you're there by yourself. I think I would have been like okay, well, I have to figure it out, I'm gonna go to my car and figure it out.

Laura: 18:28

I think she meant to do that yeah, and do you remember in the beginning someone was calling her?

Laura: 18:34

yeah, like a boyfriend or something, huh yeah, and I always think, like, why do these stories that take a wrong turn always have that like? It kind of shows like they have someone in this case she looked like she was annoyed and she declined it but it's kind of showing like there's someone that's trying to get a hold of them and looking out for them, but they're choosing to not communicate with them and to not give them updates on, like where they're at. If they got there, what's going on. And I think that like is on intentional, because also in the movie hush that happened, did it not? Yeah, there was this guy that kept trying to call her and she kept declining and she kind of was like on the fence of like oh, I don't really want to talk to them, but maybe I should call them well it's just a female, and then something happened like like it's just one of those things like it makes you feel like maybe you should always tell someone like your updates like oh, I'm here, I agree, but we don't know the situation.

Esme: 19:22

What if he's like some horrible ex? That's just like stalking her and like she don't want to talk to him. He's like a toxic person. That's what I'm saying.

Laura: 19:27

Like why do scary movies tend to have that when it's always like a lone female, they always show like some type of like love interest that's reaching out but them actively choosing to decline. I feel why is that a reoccurring scene in all these movies? I?

Esme: 19:41

think that god is letting us to, like us, as viewers, subconsciously judging her. Why? Because it makes us think maybe she has some toxic ass boyfriend, so she made a bad decision at some point. So what's to say that she doesn't make another bad decision in this movie or other bad decisions that caused her to be in some turmoil? You know, I think that's a subconscious little seed they plant in our heads like I think so.

Laura: 20:04

No, they're gonna say something else and right now right now. I forgot, because I I would want to share what I thought you were gonna say but you don't think that my theory is a good one.

Esme: 20:13

I think it is. I think it's like yeah, maybe in the feminist point of view, yeah no, I think it's just in general, like like someone's trying to tell us, like especially with a male director director, like I could see why you would say that. Yes, that's what I think it is.

Laura: 20:26

I think they meant to do that. Hold on, let me think of what you were going to say One second.

Esme: 20:29

One second podcast. Okay, you could pause it. All right, go ahead and do your thing.

Laura: 20:33

What I thought you were going to be a target, and it's kind of showing that no matter in what spectrum they fall in, when it comes to like what situation they're placed, they're always going to be a target. Now, in a horror movie situation, it's like, of course, I'm stuck in this new situation of my airbnb being double booked and then what follows after, which is another situation. So, like in all aspects of a woman's life, especially a lone woman, you're always a victim.

Esme: 21:08

It's 99 problems and a man is definitely one.

Laura: 21:11

Yes, that's what I thought you were going to say.

Esme: 21:13

No, I wasn't. But you know what? That's a good point. I just think it's like all like on purpose and I think it's intentional.

Laura: 21:19

We need to ask a director this question.

Esme: 21:21

Let's call him right now directed this question. Let's call him right now, all right. So somehow at some point because she has no one else to back her up, because her ex-boyfriend is trashed and she don't want to talk to him, she cannot or doesn't want to call him and be like, hey, I have this problem, like he's already out of the picture. She wants him out of the picture f him. But it still gives us a a thing that there could be someone she could have reached out. But at the same time, if you have someone problematic I'm thinking about my life, think about your own life if you're in a problem, do you really want to have to, like, call that one person that you really just don't want to talk to? I mean, at the end of the day, like I can understand why she didn't want to pick up the damn phone, right, okay?

Laura: 21:55

sometimes it's better to be exactly so.

Esme: 21:59

Keith bill skarsgård um eventually convinces her to stay and it's not so much convincing. It's kind of like I think she sees that she doesn't have much of a choice. It's either her sitting in the car freezing her ass off and who knows if she's able to get a place or resolve the issue. Because when she was on the porch she called the property management that was in charge. Of course he did not answer. She left the voicemail. You know what's that gonna do, right? So she's like okay, this is not gonna be resolved anytime soon. So he says, well, look, the least you can do if you want to is sit down instead of being out there, you know, in the cold, while you search for a new place, whatever, whatever right we were on the topic of stranger danger, that we felt like it was a bad decision for her to enter because we didn't know if he was onto something.

Esme: 22:40

That's because we've seen it and we've seen all the other scary movies like no, you said because, as a girl like you're vulnerable. Oh yeah, that's on top of that, I think, because we've seen all the horror movies he's in, we automatically think the worst. But let's say we don't know this person and you just see keith opening the door. He looks harmless. But, as you know, harmless looking doesn't mean no. He doesn't look harmless to me. Not to me, that's like a weirdo. That's because we already know him from other movies.

Laura: 23:02

No, he doesn't look harmless to me, not to me.

Esme: 23:03

That's like a weirdo, that's because we already know him from other movies no, he doesn't.

Laura: 23:08

No, yeah, I guess I think his eyes and his face look like when he makes a serious face.

Esme: 23:14

He looks scary and psycho. When he smiles, that melts away. He looks like friendly. You know what I'm saying. I think his eyes like a little piercing, oh, definitely piercing. But I'm telling you, when he's smiling with piercing eyes he looks just like, oh you guys nice eyes.

Laura: 23:29

No, I've never thought that I feel like that's because we've seen him in it and we're scared.

Esme: 23:34

Okay, let's move on from poor bill. So anyways, keith somehow convinces her. She's like you can tell that she's really like thinking and she's like well, you know what, let me just take a chance and sit in this living room and then I'll just leave as soon as I find another place.

Laura: 23:48

Very heretic vibe.

Esme: 23:50

Yes.

Laura: 23:51

You don't know if, like, she's going to get trapped in there, if she's ever going to be able to exit, yeah, that's why everyone listeners never, ever, go inside a stranger's house.

Esme: 24:00

Once you're on their turf. You don't know what the hell could happen. So never, ever, ever, unless you have no choice.

Laura: 24:05

The reason why I keep saying weirdo, weirdo, weirdo is because he starts acting like it even more so Because he starts like trying to make her a tea, he's like, oh, I'll open the wine in front of you because I could see that you didn't drink it. Like he's like naming the obvious, that like she's maybe cautious of not consuming anything or eating anything because she doesn't want to get drugged, or well see, she makes all the good decisions.

Laura: 24:26

She declines everything like stop talking about this, because you're making it even weirder that you're like mentioning it like he's.

Esme: 24:31

It's because I think he's trying to be like, he's trying too hard to be normal, but like her I'm glad. Like at least, okay, decline any drinks, decline this, decline that. And the part that got me is you know how? He know what? You're probably not going to find anywhere because there's like a thing, a convention, so everything's going to be booked.

Laura: 24:48

That was sketchy too.

Esme: 24:49

She took his word for it, like she looked. She did call like one place. I would have kept calling, but you know there's still some little shady little spots that you could probably find. I mean, do you want to go to CD Motel in the middle of fucking nowhere? Maybe not, but that she could have still found some accommodation at some point somewhere. That don't necessarily make reservations, you know I'm saying but like so what's scarier? You're with a stranger inside of their house or do you want to continue to look somewhere?

Laura: 25:12

I would have still, I would have left, I think I would have been like okay, well, I'm gonna just drive longer my car. To be honest, I've done it a lot. That's equally dangerous.

Esme: 25:21

No, a car is like a little house, like a room, but the problem with that is that people could just pass by and see, I mean, unless you have like super tinted windows and then it's really cold like you have to have that shit on, but at least you're gonna survive the night.

Laura: 25:33

That would be my mentality, like I'm gonna be cold, uncomfortable, but I'm gonna make it out alive and also she has the interview the next day. I would rather guarantee my safety than no, I'm going to be vulnerable the moment I knock out, Because when I'm asleep, someone could come in and like he could come in my room. You know, I don't know. I just I don't know. I just have it in my heart. I think that us Mexicans would have done Well this Mexican.

Esme: 25:57

I don't think I would have slept in a car, I mean, or I would have driven somewhere else. But also like in your car you could drive to 7-eleven or like in front of your interview, so you're not late. Oh my god. Yeah, I mean there could have been other things.

Laura: 26:12

I don't think I would have just gave up as fast as she did, but I think she didn't want to go outside of the storm.

Esme: 26:14

You know you're in a city neighborhood that you are not familiar with. I mean, she has her gps. I would have been like you know what, let me charge my phone and then, as it was fully 100, let me like I'll leave again but on the upside they ended up clicking because she said what she was in town for and he was in the industry as well.

Laura: 26:31

So they ended up popping that wine bottle right, drinking it up they clicked.

Esme: 26:36

Not only that, after so many like conversations, um, she ended up staying and like her thing was like he gave up his room. She was asleep on the sofa, but she was like, okay, well, let's wash the sheets, make them clean so I could sleep in it, blah, blah. So that's how I think the trust, like that wall, came down little by little and, like you said, they clicked about certain things and at first she thought he was full of shit. As a matter of fact, I thought when he started saying like oh yeah, I've seen. I'm like, I'm like maybe this is like some psycho guy that did his research on her and is like trying to make it seem like he knows.

Laura: 27:07

Yeah, I thought he was the owner of the property and like he was like a weirdo renter that like his victims were the renters, I don't know. Yeah, I thought that.

Esme: 27:14

But then finally, he did show her the confirmation at some point, remember, and I think that's when we kind of like okay, but I'm thinking I could have just made that. That's fake, you know, because even if someone shows you confirmation I mean, laura, didn't you like make fake um vaccination cards at some point? No, for covid, I'm out of you. That's just kidding. You know what I'm trying to say, I'm denying it publicly.

Laura: 27:36

I will neither confirm or deny, because it didn't happen and I never heard this question you're gonna take away my credibility.

Esme: 27:43

So all the forms that I do Like I don't know. Okay, let's not talk about the other ones.

Laura: 27:47

Okay, but what I'm trying to say? Your insurance is fake. Pay Uber Carver.

Esme: 27:52

Damn. Yeah, it was Okay, it didn't work anyways, but anyways, okay, okay, okay. The point that I'm getting to is that we know documents, documents is too easy nowadays. It's so easy and anybody could have just made he could have just made a fake confirmation, so that doesn't mean diddly squat. It would not have meant diddly squat to me. Like I'm like oh, I don't care about saying your confirmation, you could have just made a fake one, like it's not relevant at all, you know anyway. So they ended up staying, so like okay, she felt more comfortable, she went to sleep, like they even had like this moment where he was helping her put the sheets back on, and it seemed like they had some kind of like chemistry, like they had that feeling of like this could be a spark. There's a spark between us, type of thing.

Laura: 28:29

That's what my coworker said oh, like they could have had a future, but I guess not. But when he said that, I'm like, okay, it wasn't just me that picked up on that.

Esme: 28:36

Yeah, I don't know. Yeah, I think that was like an obvious thing. She was even like smiling about it or whatever. Like you could tell that she actually like, liked them. She went and was nosy and looked at his like driver license as you're smiling at his picture. Remember, that means you like them. So so she goes to sleep. At what point do we start getting creeped out the noises? We started hearing noises, right.

Laura: 28:55

Well, her rooms are open, then she was knocked out, okay, but see, that's us.

Esme: 28:58

So we're looking at her sleeping. We see her the knob turning and I'm thinking it's him and I'm like why?

Laura: 29:06

what does he need to do right now?

Esme: 29:07

he's gonna ruin everything yeah, I'm thinking, oh, here comes the psycho part. This is where the plot turns.

Laura: 29:12

But also me.

Esme: 29:14

I would have locked that door me too, I think, because remember the first time when she went. But yeah that shit was definitely unlocked. I think that's what woke her up no, it didn't His noises.

Laura: 29:25

He started making noises and I thought like my mind already started tripping, because I'm like did someone break in and someone doing something to him? Or like, is he abducted or being tortured right now? At first I thought he must be the one opening the door.

Esme: 29:44

Yeah, I down the hall. It's dark and she hears him In my head. Before we saw him because obviously he was not at the door. See, because I still don't know what kind of movie this was I was thinking like is he, is this like a supernatural movie? And he's getting like possessed or something. I'm like did that door open by itself off? Is it like a weird like ghost or entity or something? That's where my brain was at that time. You know, she tries to wake him up, which turns the whole field, because then he was startled by her and he was like what are you doing? Like he started kind of like feeling like she was sketchy. Right, you could tell that he was like what the hell is this?

Laura: 30:16

he was like girl, like you scared me, like what are you doing here? Because she looked bad. But she's like well, I'm sorry. She's like but did you open my room? And he's like no. And then she's like well, I'm sorry, forget about it. I just that you were making noises and he was like I was, so it just looked like they both had a bad impression of each other at that point because they were like weirdo.

Esme: 30:34

They both thought that about themselves yeah, she creeped them out and they both went to sleep.

Laura: 30:38

This time she went back and she locked we immediately realized, though, in that scene, when she's exiting her door, that there is a third person now involved because, like for me, I thought intruder, because you see someone walk in the back where that door is. That leads to the basement.

Esme: 30:52

Yes, and at first, like I still was still thinking entity, I still had that question mark. I'm like what was that? Who was that? So the next day in the morning she wakes up like normal, goes to the bathroom. I don't know what the hell she does, but when she walks out of her room we're able to see the basement door ajar right huh, or is?

Laura: 31:09

it completely open like a jar a jar. A jar where?

Esme: 31:14

a jar is one word.

Laura: 31:15

I don't know, it's not a space jar a jar there's no jar holding it open, oh everybody hello listeners, ignore that part, okay so physical shocker jolt. Hey, siri, define a jar.

Esme: 31:33

Let me just ask you, what does it mean when a door is a jar?

Laura: 31:35

hey, siri, what does it mean when a door is a jar? Refers to a door, window or other object being slightly open and not completely closed. Yeah, that okay, see learn to be see I did, I learned it.

Esme: 31:47

So the door is a jar, yeah, so then she walks out. She sees it, but then she walks out, she goes to the kitchen and I think she sees a note from him that he was gonna leave and to leave the key in the box that was like the highlighted thing, like please leave the key behind right because she was gonna go to her interview.

Esme: 32:02

He knew that, so when he was gonna come back he could get in. Okay, cool, she's getting for an interview. She goes outside. This is the first time that we and her at the same time. We go outside and we look at the street and she realizes that the street and all the buildings and houses in there and this is the moment that also gave me like a really creeped out feeling, because we're seeing that. I mean, the night before, where she was, you know, pouring rain, she was looking out and she was like pitch black and she couldn't see anything. Now we know why it was pitch black and we couldn't see nothing. That whole street was basically full of abandoned, run down, disintegrated buildings and houses, houses that were like boarded up or like burned all of the house, like literally the only house standing was the house that she was staying in.

Laura: 32:53

How scary is that hello I would have been like. But see, all of that, I feel like how did you not know that when you booked the place?

Esme: 33:00

she didn't. She didn't look at street. That's weird. You know how you can look at street view when you like look up stuff to myself like why is the street abandoned?

Laura: 33:08

why is it burned? Like why is it like that?

Esme: 33:11

all she looked at was probably like the only nearest thing that was close to her interview and she booked it and didn't think twice and then also okay, now, that scene made me trust bill more.

Laura: 33:21

And then the issue now are the neighbors. They're like the vandal, I thought they were gonna be.

Esme: 33:28

Yeah, I'm like this is like the hills have eyes.

Laura: 33:31

Yeah, yeah, so weird who lives here, in these abandoned homes exactly exactly people who the freak knows, so, anyways.

Esme: 33:39

So at this point I'm thinking, okay, this may not be entity wise, but I'm still not thinking about that. She goes to her interview. It looks like everything goes well. Like you know, they have a conversation, everything's cool. When she's like already, like oh, okay, well, you know what, um, this and this and that, like I'm gonna give you a call, and she asks her like just casually, like oh, so where are you staying at? And she tells her oh, brightsworth or what's it called? Bright, brighton or brightsworth or something like that.

Laura: 34:01

Yeah, okay something Okay, something that sounds like positive Something bright, yeah, but it's not.

Esme: 34:06

Yeah, so she tells her and then even like her whole face changes and she looks at her like like you're staying way where? And she's like oh, brighton. And she's like no, like don't stay there, like you can't stay there.

Laura: 34:30

She made it like that, drove that point across the most was her facial expression. She was like test, like look at me so you could describe it. She was like test, like that, like she did that, like no like no way, but she didn't speak she just made like, like a lot of faces after, Like, are you sure about that, Are you sure about this? She even said that and she said right away like yeah, yeah, Just for a little bit, Like it was the closest. I have a roommate. Yeah, she said something stupid.

Esme: 34:56

Like girl he ain't safe. He ain't safe, wants her not to stay there. She doesn't listen, she doesn't even let her finish talking. Oh no, no, I'm fine, it's fine, whatever. I think she was just kind of like oh, last night was fine, nothing happened to me, and I think she felt more comfortable with keith, so she was like looking forward to probably seeing him again.

Laura: 35:14

And my thing is the fact that she was outside of the house. I'm like you made it like, get your ass back home. Like I would have left maybe my number like for the guy, but took my shit with me to the interview because I'm not going back to that house yeah, like that's what I was thinking. I like girl, you made it out of the house. Why are you trying to go back there like?

Esme: 35:35

yeah, it's not ready, no more. I'm just kidding. I know it's like it's not ready. No more, like get your ass out and find another like you survived it good, like you could like.

Laura: 35:43

After that, I literally told the person I was watching this like three times after I'm like no, no, whatever happens after here, it's her fault.

Esme: 35:48

I like, because all this became preventable yeah, I think she thought oh, the worst is over. I already got comfortable. This guy's cool, I like him. It's not raining no more. In the interview she was like on a high note in her head, so she was like oh, nothing could go wrong.

Laura: 36:02

Now, true, you know what? True, because I have felt like that sometimes, like, yeah, things feel better. Now, yeah, like everything fell into place.

Esme: 36:07

It wasn't as bad as I thought she was thinking that so, anyways, she goes back to the place. Who knows what her plans were or how many days more she had to stay there exactly this moment.

Laura: 36:15

This is exactly when I thought to myself whatever happens to her is her damn fault. She brought it upon herself, because when she goes back to that house she ends up going into the basement. Why you gotta do that?

Esme: 36:25

for yeah, so she gets back, she's on a high note, thinking the world is peaches and cream and she arrives a bowl of cherries. Okay enough, so she gets there. Well, she's not even at the car yet. Someone's like chasing her down the street. Right, she's in her car, still no she's at the car.

Laura: 36:41

She got off the car, okay. But then now she races to the front porch and trying to open the. Yeah, she's closing her car still. No, she's at the car. She got off the car, okay. But then now she races to the front porch and trying to open the door.

Esme: 36:45

Yeah, she's closing her door and she's about to go up the walkway and you see someone from a distance running at her like full force and screaming and screaming, lady, lady.

Laura: 36:52

Or what was she saying? Come here, come here, girl.

Esme: 36:59

Hey, come here or something. She runs to the front door. She can't get the stupid key out the lockbox. She's all scared. We're already scared for her too. Like, oh hell, no girl Like this is one of the psycho people that live on you know the house have eyes type houses Like get your ass in. So she somehow fumbles, fumbles, fumbles. She gets in the door and slams it shut.

Laura: 37:18

And the guy's like slamming and hitting the door and she starts packing really fast and she's like, okay, I'm gonna leave. But then she does something stupid, which is again I keep emphasizing. This is when it's like everything that happens to you is your fault, because you did not listen to your instinct. You can get out of there. And why are you doing that? For why are you going into the basement of someone else's?

Esme: 37:35

home. Before she went to the basement, she had to go to the bathroom and there was no toilet paper, which is when she started like oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, you know, but still is smart, because she was probably going to drive for a long time. Let me pack, I'm going to go to the bathroom and I'm going to go home or leave this place.

Laura: 37:50

Yeah, you're right, there was toilet paper in the basement. That's why she went in there.

Esme: 37:54

Yeah, because she was looking for it all over the place and she was like, oh my God, nothing. She looks at the door in the basement. She's like from afar she goes down there.

Laura: 38:06

And little by little the door starts slowly shutting. And then it does shut. She doesn't realize that it's going to lock, and so I take it back about like, oh, she did something stupid, Because you're right, you reminded me why she went down there in the first place. It makes sense. But now is when I'm like you're dumb girl.

Esme: 38:23

But see, that's the thing. She had a chance Because it didn't lock right away. It slowly closed. She was down there looking for all that stuff, and that's when she finds other things, so was she exploring. Well, she found the toilet paper, but then remember she came across that the string, yeah, the rope.

Laura: 38:45

So when you pull the wall but it's, it's functional, like you could pull it and stuff. So it makes you feel like if I pull it, like is a bomb gonna explode or something like.

Esme: 38:53

Yeah, like I don't know I don't know if I would be that person, because I feel like half of the humanity would do it, half of the humanity would not. I feel like I would not. If I see like a rope that goes into a hole in the wall, I would not pull it. I'll be like is the house going to collapse? When I pull it, I would think something is happening. It's there for a reason, but no one told me to come down here. This is not for me Right away. I think you think it's a secret door. It's a secret, something You're going to pull it it. Something's gonna open, something's gonna fall, something's gonna close a booby trap. So in my head I'm like I know this does something, but I don't know what it does. I've seen enough indiana jones movies to know that you don't press buttons or pull things without the possibility you're getting trapped somewhere. So I would not pull it.

Laura: 39:38

Now is the point that I feel whatever happens to you is your fault we have little signs.

Esme: 39:44

There's a lot of little signs that happen that tell us okay, let's get out of here, let's get out of here, let's get out of here. But I think she delays, and the more she delays, the more things happen. Yeah, I guess. So she there was like that was totally avoidable.

Laura: 39:57

So then by that time, when she's over there pulling stuff and all that, that's when the door like shuts. When the the door like shuts, she had still time to get up there and get to the restroom, take shit, and this will open. Oh, and also I thought to myself did something on the other side like push it, or did it like the wind, you know? Yeah, or was it like a old hinge that just just closes? I can't. Why does it have to?

Esme: 40:19

lock. I know I hate that. I mean that was probably on purpose the locking part. So let's go back to her being stuck there. Okay, everybody, ignore the ice cream truck outside. And then she realized she didn't have her phone on her. She let she like, remembered that she left it on the table so she didn't have a way out. She's remembering. Oh, I remember how it happened we kind of jumped around.

Laura: 40:39

This is exactly how it happened. I remember now she wanted to go look for toilet paper. Like you said, she saw the toilet paper once she entered the basement and then, bingo, she found it. But then she was immediately gonna go on her merry way and as she's trying to leave, the door is closed and she's like no, like man. She realizes that her phone was left in the restroom. She has the key, so she can't call bill, she can't call police anyone, and when he comes in in he's gonna be able to get in because that's why I said so, because she's trapped there, she starts exploring to see there has to be another exit or something that can help me get out.

Laura: 41:13

So while she's looking for that, she finds the rope and then she pulls it and now she's like where does this go?

Laura: 41:21

because a weird creepy door opens but it's so dark. Yeah, so when she pulls the rope, a door opens but it's pitch black. So she gets the mirror that's in the basement to position so that the light reflects out into the darkness and, yeah, it kind of serves as a little flashlight, but she can't make out a lot either way because it's so pitch black yeah this is where it gets terrible, terrible. She starts like walking in there and oh my god as a viewer, listeners.

Esme: 41:50

Everything inside me tells me why the hell are you gonna go in that door the same way? You got trapped down in the basement, dumbass. You could get trapped in that hole. That dirt can fall behind you. What if there's no rope to pull to get out? When she was trying to edge her way in, I'm like are you freaking serious? You just got trapped in the damn basement and it was a very creepy, creepy, creepy scene. And Laura, what were you thinking as she was deciding to walk in there?

Laura: 42:16

That, whatever, happens to you is your fault and I don't feel bad for you, no more. But I was on edge. I was on edge. I was like I was thinking that too, like you're going to get trapped in there. But I was like where does it lead? Like what's in there? I was trying to think like what's going on? Because there was like kennels too right, like some cages, I was like so animals? Like I didn't know where it was going and I think that's what made me like super. It was on edge, that I couldn't guess, I couldn't imagine. Like nothing was giving me enough clues where I'm like oh, this is it, and then right away.

Esme: 42:49

I started thinking of all the like horror movies from the past and it reminded me of heretic, because remember those ladies that were trapped in those cages. Same kind of cages, but they were empty and rusted and old and there was like bowls. So it's like were these used for animals or something else? Why would they be in a secret door? Yeah, so many questions.

Laura: 43:10

Yeah, and then she continues to go down right the dark hallway.

Esme: 43:14

Then it's like a very unfinished Like. It's not like a hallway, it's like a hole, like a mine, like you're going in a mine type of yeah, yeah, yeah. And then there's, like a sus room, the end of this long tunnel. You see, to the right, she turns on a light, does she turn?

Laura: 43:30

on the light or was already on.

Esme: 43:31

That's crazy and the room is a small room, that the only things that are in there are old like those metal rickety rackety hospital bed types from like like early 1900s, with a dirty it looks like stained, like like mold and blood and god knows what was on that mattress it was gross and like a bucket and a bucket that was also really. That was also stained and dirty on the side and then a bloody handprint on the wall and then the weird, other scary part is that there's a video camera a video camera facing the bed with like a tripod.

Esme: 44:06

So what the hell goes in through all of our minds when we're watching this? I was like girl, you better get your ass out of there and I'm still over here thinking like oh, they trap renters here.

Laura: 44:17

The victims are the renters of the house.

Esme: 44:19

Yeah, I feel the same thing, and she's a renter. To me, automatic is like look, we already saw. We like someone walking around at night. She didn't see it, though, but we did. Somebody already opened your door. They know you're here. Okay, you already had someone chasing you into the house. You had the interview person tell you get out of there, don't stay there. Why are you that? Like you know whatever, isn't that enough? Isn't that enough to tell you why are you there, stupid?

Laura: 44:49

yeah, you know, and at this point is when she freaks out and she wants to get out of there now. Now she wants to leave, she's able to get out of the tunnel. She's a little basement window that you could see from the outside the front house right, yeah, bill gets home and I'm over here thinking like he's not gonna see her.

Laura: 45:06

He's not gonna see, he's gonna miss her because I'm pretty sure it's like soundproof, yeah, but he did see her, which is great news, and he looks like he was like what are you doing down there? But I still got a feeling that I'm like he's gonna see her and he's gonna ignore her, like he's gonna be like, oh, like you found my little spot, he's going to go into the house and lock it.

Esme: 45:23

Yes, because at this point again, we're thinking he is Part of the plan. Yes, like he's just Like you know how he was talking about, like his group that he was with. Like he was telling her like oh, we're finding a new place to do his like I don't know their film stuff. So in my head I'm thinking that front, their group, probably just tortures people because obviously he's not working alone. That other person was the second person part of him. Like he's part of a group of people they probably do like snuff films and record them. And she's gonna be the next victim.

Laura: 45:55

So I was like, oh, my god but no, he was trying to help her. And still, then I'm like he's putting a front like he's not actually helping her, but no, he does help her, like he gets her out of there. And then, though, but then I still feel doubtful towards him, still, because she's explaining to him and he's like wait, let's just go down there, let's see. And she's like no, like why do you want to go down there?

Esme: 46:15

she's like I'm gonna.

Laura: 46:16

Let's just go back inside the house. I'm like hell, no girl. You already made it out a second time. Don't go back in there.

Esme: 46:21

That's really that makes no. That was the most stressful part of this movie that we're like girl, use your common sense, don't go, don't go. It reminds me of like the old school horror movies from back in the days when things were obvious to the viewer that we were like don't go upstairs, don't do this like. I had the same feeling with this movie and I haven't felt that in a long time, but it was obviously not like these old school movies. Like it had a different like. It was like a different feel, but it was the same thing.

Esme: 46:49

Like you want to tell her like are you freaking serious? You're still gonna go back in, you're still gonna go there. And then he's like not taking any of what she's saying seriously. No, he's like well, let me go check it out. He wants to investigate a web, all right, he goes in. She's waiting. She's like okay, I'm not going back in there. You want to go back down there, go, okay, go whatever. So he goes and she's waiting and waiting and he's taking a fucking long ass time. Like it's a long time, yeah, and eventually she's like Keith calling him.

Esme: 47:18

He doesn't answer and she's like, and we're like no, I was like, why did he scream at the tv like hell, no, like he went down there. Why are you gonna go down with, like you already know what's there. Why are you going? He doesn't need your help. And then a little little, tiny, little smart part of her brain, it goes back and gets a chair and like to put it on the door so it doesn't shut. It's the only smart thing that she does which doesn't help her much at that time. Anyways, she goes downstairs trying to find him for the longest time he doesn't scream back like he, she's just, it's just silence.

Laura: 47:48

Yeah, so she goes in.

Esme: 47:50

But but then she goes in and she sees the door, but she's like how, where the fuck did he go? You know, because he's not in that room and she's looking around, doesn't look like nothing else is there. He's like I'm down here and she's like where he says I need help, but see, it still to me sounds fishy. This is a trap. Still like why is she? Still like how, why does he need help? Like where the fuck did you go? She finds another door that's behind. When the door opens to that weird room, there's a door behind it that's also hidden and she pulls it open and there's another hole, there's another tunnel that goes deeper and darker and down. So there's like steps of thinking like where does this hole go? To hell, and it's like we're going in there and it's so slow and dark and you start feeling claustrophobic, just like when she talks, it sounds like muffled, like because you're so deep and it's like so enclosed I can't even begin to imagine how still the air is in there.

Laura: 48:41

Like I hate that feeling, like when you're in clothes and there's no air.

Esme: 48:44

Claustrophobic? Yeah, I'm claustrophobic.

Laura: 48:47

So I couldn't even imagine how that felt.

Esme: 48:49

Yeah, that's crazy. And then underground.

Laura: 48:51

And I was thinking like dude In dark. The dance has to like hit the wall Like you want to escape.

Esme: 48:56

It was anxiety for sure, like that's the feeling that you get watching this part. So then at some point you hear keith again the bit me until they're face to face and he's like no okay, so she goes, she's still going down the steps and she has.

Esme: 49:10

She has her phone now, right. So she's like flashlight a little and you can't see nothing, like it's like you could see, but like it's like dark, like down, like you can't see diddly squat. So you're going all the way down and then she's he could still, she could still hear him saying help me here and there, and then it's like a jump scare.

Laura: 49:29

Ooh, this is the original Barbarian that you were saying. He's perfect for the role.

Esme: 49:34

So there's a lot of looking up Conan the Barbarian right now.

Laura: 49:43

Well, I meant to look up the other thing but arnold came out. He was cool, huh. He looks like a, like a toy.

Esme: 49:46

That like was like sculpted and like sanded into, like that was.

Laura: 49:48

That was in the 80s, when he was a pyt did he actually work out or he, like, drank some posterity?

Esme: 49:53

I don't know no, he really did work out, though, but I don't know about the story part. I don't know because that looks unreal.

Laura: 50:00

Well, he was a bodybuilder ate a lot of eggs.

Esme: 50:02

No he was a bodybuilder like he was. Like, I love eggs okay eggs okay, anyways, let's move on. We can talk about arnold, later so they come face to face.

Laura: 50:11

He's like sweaty and like shook and his eyes are like even bigger yeah like larger and he's like. I have to tell you like we can't he's scared we have to go and she, but he's pulling her like deeper. So I'm thinking that's still a trap I'm like hell.

Laura: 50:23

No, he's trying to tell you like we can't go there. He's scared, we have to go. And she, but he's pulling her like deeper. So I'm thinking that's still a trap. I'm like hell, no, he's trying to grab you, yeah, and she's like no, like the exit's this way. And then she even tells him like why did you come down here, like duh, why would you come? But something bit me. Like he finally explains, like why we have to go and she's just like okay, well, like I said, it's that way, like there's one road, like it's not like forked in the road where you go left or right, it's like either front or back?

Laura: 50:49

yeah, so when what he says is just creepier because he's like, well, it was, he's like something bit me and it was, it's back there. So how did it go ahead of him, I don't know, or where was it hiding in the shadows? Get, it was probably yeah, so then boom, the moment we realize he is not the antagonist is the moment that he dies yes, because all of a sudden we see this figure suddenly appear.

Esme: 51:13

We see her with the light because she has her phone light that she looks, and it's this super scary, dirty, naked, female like thing. All we see is her grabbing keith and slamming him against the wall repeatedly. I mean, and she did it with so much force that he's a man, but he had no chance. So you could tell like immediately. You see blood on his head and his face so you know he's dead, he's dead. And then we see black. And then right now we're still recovering from the shock of like all of our thoughts coming into our brain that oh my god, he was not the killer, oh my god.

Esme: 51:50

So right now we're looking at a, a still from the movie, and we see her with a bloody, prosthetic key face that I guess she was slamming onto the wall. Oh my god, no wonder it looks so scary. His skull's already like falling off. You guys can look it up. So okay. So as soon as this happens and it like it like black, we're, we're all of a sudden okay. We find out so many things at that moment. We find out, like how deadly and how like she's hit. Doom like this is like you've reached like yeah, like she was like surprisingly strong, though yes it is.

Esme: 52:28

She was super strong and the thing is that he was already dead and she is there with them facing the and deep, deep, deep in this fucking tunnel that goes into, like I don't know, underground railroad, for me.

Laura: 52:40

What made me like the most stunned was that I now realize everything that I thought was going, like I thought we were going a certain route it was far from that because I'm like no, now there's like a monster involved, like a creature, because the person I watched it was like oh, it's a demon and I'm like I think it's a person.

Esme: 52:57

Person well, that's the thing I couldn't tell either, but I mean just the fact that they were down underground again. I keep thinking about like hills have ice, like I'm thinking like is this like some toxic, um, radioactive person, some deformity? But I was thinking in my head something happened in this town that people started leaving and that's why it's all abandoned and burned down, but this thing lives here. But then I was also still remembering that it had that weird like someone built this to have something down here, like was it an experiment.

Esme: 53:27

I was thinking so many things, so many things and but at the same time, like I said, the biggest thing that we're thinking is all this time that we're thinking keith is part of the problem, or the he's the barbarian, or like he's yeah, it's like out the window, like he's, like now he's dead end of act. One boom, that was the end, yes. And all of a sudden, in those seconds that you think all this stuff, all of a sudden, boom, we're on pch, middle of the day, sunny california, driving the convertible, and we see aj yeah, like it just takes a turn.

Laura: 53:59

No, and it's a cliffhanger. Like she was facing the monster and you just assume she died. But you don't know what happened to ted. Like it just takes a turn. No, and it's a cliffhanger.

Esme: 54:04

Like she was facing the monster and you just assume she died, but you don't know what happened to ted. Like it literally feels like you changed the channel on accident. That's how I felt when it changed, like from that to that, because it's like a totally different scene.

Laura: 54:13

Okay, and we see aj driving down the coast, his golly jolly, mood is changed very quickly because he gets a phone call right.

Esme: 54:23

Mm-hmm, mm-hmm.

Laura: 54:24

And they started laying it on him that he's going to get booted from his agency, his pilot. His show. Yeah, mm-hmm, because he has some very strong allegations against him, mm-hmm, and it seems very modern, because when don't we hear of things coming out like that and it skews your perception on, like celebrities, and yeah, you just start canceling them.

Esme: 54:45

You don't want to ever since that hashtag me too boom, all these people have been going down harvey weinstein p diddy, anyways. Point is like all kinds of people like now people are like finally saying things that they should have said like for so many, so many years this is this guy's no p diddy. But you know, aj the key gets that call and, yeah, he's fired and he's like wait, what? Basically? Like it sounds like a date rape. Now there's something that was said that but it started making me theorizing about oh okay, like this is what's gonna happen and I really like this movie because usually my theories are on point and correct and this movie still tricked me.

Esme: 55:20

So I liked that. I was surprised so many damn times. So good job in this movie for that. The part that made me think like a different direction with this is that you know whoever he said he's a chip off the whole block.

Esme: 55:31

Now what does that mean, listeners? It usually means that you're in the same footsteps as your father. That's usually what it means. It's usually said to a guy and it's usually said about if you're the same as your dad and you're doing the same kind of thing that he's doing. Whether it's good or bad, he's a chip off the whole block. So they told him that. So that put an idea in my head, thinking I did immediately say, ok, this property, who owns it? And I did think that, ok, that's why they're showing us this guy, because he must own it and right away, chip off the whole block. I thought, oh my God, he's being accused of date rape and somebody was recording some weird going on down there. Maybe it was his dad and maybe, like that was his old place, but that was incorrect. Aj ends up owning the house. He wants to sell it Like he's discussing with his wealth manager.

Laura: 56:14

Because of uh, he was basically saying, like you have to liquidate because the way you spend and your, your lifestyle and the fact that you just got cut from like all of this income, with how much it's gonna cost you to like have the lawyers and all the legal services handled. He's like you can only make it three months like from now. Yeah, at this rate, and then it was gonna cost him 70 grand, I believe, to cover the legal expenses and and help fight the case or whatever. Liquidating, for those that don't know, means like your assets and things that you can sell and just get cash from. Like that's what you're going to go do. First, like you said, an LA home, a rental property. That's not a necessity, is kind of just maybe like a liability if anything, now You're going to want to go sell it and just get the money.

Laura: 56:56

Yeah, because he needed it now, so.

Esme: 56:57

But right away didn't he say that he did not want to get rid of his LA home and he's like well, I have some properties in Michigan and whatever. That was one of many.

Laura: 57:08

So that's what kind of tells us right away, oh, he owns this place. But he told us, oh, they're not worth much yeah they're not.

Esme: 57:11

But he was like, well, no, I can't get rid of the LA house Because he told him, your la home. I don't know if they were in la at that moment, but he told him you have to sell your la house and he's like, no, I can't get rid of that one I don't want to, but brightwood is not la he had more than one property. That's why he was trying to get rid of the brightwood ones oh yeah, yeah, that's not in the lake because his wealth manager told him to get rid of the element because that one for sure would cover.

Esme: 57:41

But he doesn't want to. So he's like, well, let me see what I could do over here, like buy himself time or whatever. So he flies to michigan. It's michigan, detroit, michigan that's where.

Laura: 57:49

That's where this house is brightwood yeah, I think so, I think, so am I making this up, I think.

Esme: 57:55

So, listeners, if I'm wrong at any given time, chicasuco at gmailcom. So he gets there, he calls his agents. A lot of things happen in between and he, as he arrives, doesn't see the key. He gets in. There's two cars in the front, which, to me, I feel like those should have told several people, including the other cops, the asshole ones that come on later in the movie that there's people there. Look at the whole freaking block, but there's two cars in front of the only house that looks livable. Okay. So he should have already said okay, someone's here, because the rest of the block is shot. He starts seeing that there's things there. He goes to the bathroom, he like whatever. He's like the hell he's just seeing, like their bags and keys and like things you know.

Esme: 58:34

So he calls his agent his agent says that it's not rented, which brings us to the fact that property agent companies suck because a they're double booking and b they're telling him they haven't rented in weeks. He goes on with looking around. He sees the door to the base. It's like why don't you think like let me go down and see if anybody's there? No, he's like, he looks at it. He just like closes it.

Esme: 58:56

If you were to go in a house, laura, and see that your basement door is being held open with a chair, you wouldn't think like someone's down there. Possibly, especially when there's things here, that's what I would have thought. Like he really plays a part, that he's like selfish, self-absorbed, he's only thinking about himself. So I think he calls a friend that is out there which ends up being zach, the director of this movie that plays the friend, which is really cool. He goes out with him. So at some point, like they're out in a nightclub or bar or something, and his friend asks him okay, like between you and I, like what really happened, like what's going on, he starts telling his friend okay, we hung out, this isn't that way, and he basically says in his story that she was being like hard to get, kind of like but you know me, I'm persistent and that like he's trying to make it sound like he coaxed her into it and he said she came around at the end. This is the viewer we already know. Like he's like a selfish person, so he's not listening, most likely, to this woman that is telling him like no, or rejecting him. So maybe at some point he did basically like bully her into something that was not consensual, like how he's trying to say that it was, or maybe like it was like straight date rape. We don't know the details, we just know that he's an asshole and most likely it was not consensual. That's what brings us to this, because even when he was talking to his agent and he was like, oh, I'm gonna call her, and he's like, no, absolutely do not call her, she's the one accusing you. No, do not have any contact with her.

Esme: 1:00:17

So as he's telling his friend all this stuff, like he gives this vibe that he's trying to act like very nonchalant, his expression keeps changing. That's one of the things that I was talking about. Like you're looking at him and I think the director which plays the friend, like maybe he just didn't want to have the spotlight on him. Or maybe he just wanted to show what a great actor aj is, because you could see it in his face and his expressions that he was trying to either convince his friend or convince himself that he was not actually doing anything wrong. And he seems like he's that type of person that doesn't want to take responsibility, justifies his actions, like that type of guy that will never think he does anything wrong. Like he gives that vibe and it's crazy because for a moment, like okay, when he's talking to his friend, I'm like trying to buy it, because at this point I'm thinking he's the only one that could save her from this hole.

Esme: 1:01:05

Maybe he really isn't the asshole. Maybe, like he is misunderstood and maybe the girl just wants money. Like if it, I'm gonna accuse him so I could like sue him and get money. You know, who knows, one thing is being an asshole, one thing is being like a real shit person. So at this time I'm like maybe he's just like an asshole that comes off wrong, but maybe he's just like a, you know, a victim of circumstance type of thing. He was targeted. They're gonna just take his money. I was still like trying to believe him and thinking he's gonna come and save this girl, possibly because he's gonna eventually. He's just so stupid but he's gonna get it at the end and, like, save her hopefully well for me.

Laura: 1:01:38

I didn't think that he was gonna save anyone, I thought he was just gonna like be a victim himself. I didn't think that test or that guy well, obviously, the guy we saw him die. But I don't. I didn't think there were any survivors. To be honest, I still left me like cliffhanger.

Esme: 1:01:50

Did she get away? Like? If she did, how? Like? Yeah, because it just like took us to this other act too. I thought he was just gonna be like the next victim.

Esme: 1:01:56

Yeah he goes back to the house like afterwards, and he's so fucked up we see him like throwing up. But before he throws up, he calls that girl who the his accuser and starts leaving her voice messages telling her I'm sorry, um, you know what, like, I'm just, I want to just apologize. You know, if things were not the way, you know, like it seemed so my head at that point, then I'm like, oh, he did it. Because a person that didn't do anything wrong is gonna be freaking mad and be like you know what? We need to talk. We need to talk because you're tripping like, you're gonna like accuse me of something that if I'm being accused of something that I did not do, I'm gonna be fucking pissed at this person. But just the fact that he's saying sorry, I'm like, oh no, like he did do something, like he knows he did something wrong, he is guilty. And now he's trying to like just sorry because of all the shit that's happening to him and he's losing his life. That's when I started changing my mind, like at first I was still buying his like, oh no, I'm like okay, maybe, maybe this, maybe that, but no. After this I was like oh no, he's guilty. He did basically assault her, and why would he be saying sorry, right?

Esme: 1:02:55

So then we see him throwing up. And then, while he's throwing up, he hears a noise. No, he's hearing it, but he doesn't know where it's coming from. And then he turns. This is a basement door. In my head I'm like, hello, stupid, you didn't see there was a freaking chair. And in my head I'm like, oh my god, is it the monster girl? Or is it like maybe test, like she got away and she's trying to get out? He's gonna save her again.

Esme: 1:03:14

I started feeling hope, like, oh my god, maybe he's hurt, maybe is this or maybe he's about to die. Like I started getting anxiety all over again. I mean, was I really like scared for him? No, I was just scared to see what was gonna happen next. I was just like, okay, so this is a funny part because he goes down the basement. Okay, so he finds the rope. But instead of being like shocked, like what the hell is this rope doing, he's like, oh, hell, yeah.

Esme: 1:03:36

Like he gets all excited, he starts looking up or googling can you sell your house more if there's additional square footage? Like he, it doesn't even dawn on him like what the hell? He's not worried like the rest of humanity would be worried like the rest of us normal people. I heard a noise and there's a tunnel here and a secret door in my place. Why is he not questioning that?

Esme: 1:03:56

He gets all excited and he's just taking out a measuring tape. Right, he needs money. That's all he's thinking about. Like he literally found a creepy room and he doesn't even get scared, he doesn't bat an eye. He goes in deeper and deeper and continues to measure the square footage. He doesn't even notice that the bed and the like he doesn't care about that. He trips over the bucket, that gross one, and he keeps measuring. And he's measuring and measuring just the feet that he goes down and he's like, oh my god. He's ignoring the cages, he keeps going and he sees the secret door, he keeps he goes down. He's like, oh my god, whatever he's like, it's all exciting. He's like, what the hell? But all happy crazy.

Laura: 1:04:31

He had googled like as an official, like unbuilt, like unfinished, yeah, count as square footage on one selling house, and he's like shit oh wait, but it is possible.

Esme: 1:04:42

If he's like oh fuck, yeah, it's so funny. And now, which totally fits his character, and then the inevitable we find a new room that we didn't see the first time. So we saw that creepy room, right. But then all of a sudden we see this other room and there's a tv on in there and he's saying hello, is anyone in here like shut up, bro.

Esme: 1:05:01

You don't realize you have to be hush, hush down here, yeah and it's a tv show that's on this little old school tv of like breastfeeding and it's freaking weird and it was like I call it the purple room because it had like a purple little blanket carpet thing, and then it was like maybe the light of the tv made it look purple but, for me.

Laura: 1:05:18

I just think of the purple room, like it was casting like a little purple glow and then no one was in there.

Laura: 1:05:22

But the fact that there was like blankets and stuff, I already knew like that's where that thing lives, I'm sure. So then the inevitable happens where duh, like, if that thing is dwelling down there, it's gonna find him, he's gonna find it. And yeah, it was so terrible too, because did you notice that in the tunnel there was like other doors, like square grid, like doors? They were all open, though Like they weren't like closed? I do remember there was. It's like the same type that when she threw them into the pit it was the same type that closed down, like those type of doors that have like gaps, like you could reach your hand through it.

Laura: 1:05:55

Yeah, so he was passing some of those which again, like you said, they weren't really phasing him, but up until he felt like, oh, someone else could be down here, he was like, oh, I'm gonna shoot you. Like remember, he was saying I have yeah I have a gun blast you whoever's here and sure enough the thing finds him.

Laura: 1:06:10

And is there like a moment where, like the flashlight's kind of like glitching, like and you could kind of see, like because he did try to run but it didn't help, he ends up in this like whole new, a dungeon, but it's like a little pit in a way. Yeah, it's a pit and she with a gate on top yeah, like that gate that I'm talking about, like the grid, like gate. Lo and behold, tess is like. So we realized she's alive.

Esme: 1:06:30

She's been alive this whole time because I'm so happy to see her life.

Laura: 1:06:33

The property management. That was so unhelpful. They were saying like, oh, no one has been there since, like in weeks, in weeks. So that gives you the idea that Tess has been trapped there for weeks because he was even asking. No one cleaned here, like no one notices, and she's like we only clean if a new renter is gonna come. The last person that rented it was weeks ago oh my god, okay, you know what like.

Esme: 1:06:53

So right now, what you're telling me is a new information for me, because I was under the impression this was happening at the same time and that the property management was just like stupid and not keeping track of anybody. Like I'm like, yeah, there was people that were staying there. They didn't even know, but they weren't even keeping track. They said that it was like weeks ago, but you're telling me it actually was weeks that passed. I didn't know that part Like that's crazy right now.

Esme: 1:07:18

Because she even looked deteriorated, like dirty, or she looked like Well, I just thought she was dirty because she was down there.

Laura: 1:07:24

No, she did not look the same as when we last saw her.

Esme: 1:07:29

Oh my God, so she had been living in that thing for a while.

Laura: 1:07:32

So we learned a lot from her in just that scene, because she's telling him a lot Like, oh, be quiet If you're upset, she gets upset. Like a lot like, oh, be quiet if she's a, if you're upset, she gets upset. Like all of those are like key things that we're learning. And then she continues on to say that don't you see, she just wants you to be her baby. Like you have to drink from that milk, because she started, like in the moment, trying to feed them. Yeah, like right away, and it's like a weird bottle.

Esme: 1:07:55

Huh, it's like those bottles that they give when they feed animals, like you know, baby cows. You know I'm saying like like the farmers, like there's like those.

Laura: 1:08:03

Yeah, it's like for animals, it was so disgusting though, because I'm like what is that milk where?

Esme: 1:08:07

is it? I don't know what's that liquid.

Laura: 1:08:09

Is it rotten, like I was thinking?

Esme: 1:08:11

I was thinking where the fuck did she get milk, or what liquid is that? I mean it has to be milk, but who knows where the fuck she got it from and how old it is? I mean it looks like good, or not?

Laura: 1:08:19

yeah, and even that little thing. It looked dirty, like everything was unsanitary down there. So he's like I'm not drinking that. And then tess, since she's learned a lot and she already knows the drill she did she was down to drink, she's like drink it.

Esme: 1:08:32

Like don't be stupid, drink it. Drink it doing like he was just like hell.

Laura: 1:08:35

No, so she drank from it and then he got snatched and she like basically took him to that her little room and I already knew it wasn't going to happen. Oh my.

Esme: 1:08:42

God, this was like the most worst part, and the thing is that she just pulled him out like if he was like a sack of potatoes.

Laura: 1:08:47

She's really strong. She's like an abnormal thing.

Esme: 1:08:51

I knew it was going to happen too.

Laura: 1:08:52

Listeners, did you guys know? Because I already knew, because I remembered what was playing on the tv and then I saw what she was gonna do. I'm like she's gonna try to feed him by force now yeah, because he's like, in a way, I was happy that she like. Well, let me just say what happened. So she like forced herself upon him and was like, if you're not gonna drink from the bottle, then you're gonna drink from me yeah, she was trying to breastfeed him like this is not like oh, he's a monster.

Laura: 1:09:17

Yeah, there's a lot of things that are wrong, that are like obvious, but I'll just state them like, first of all, he's not an infant and like she's not like a lactating mom a lactating mom.

Esme: 1:09:25

Second, it's not his mom, so like that's just like so many things are wrong with it and she's a monster and she's ugly like she and she's like looks dirty and scary and ugly like she doesn't even look like a woman.

Laura: 1:09:35

Just the fact that she looks a woman is the fact that she has boobs, but that's it.

Esme: 1:09:39

Like you could tell she's a female. A female, what? Like she looks like a scary, like I don't know what. Like I was still questioning is she? What is she Like? Is she like?

Laura: 1:09:50

Well, like someone says she's a demon. Someone even thought it was like a hell from hell. Like from hell, yeah, because she looks said, was like. Oh well, then when you told me last time, I don't know if your opinion changed, but you were like oh well, she must have been lactating because her boobs were like saggy and like down, and I'm just like no, they looked full like they did not full.

Laura: 1:10:11

They look like when she was standing to me, they did not look full, they're like 40 year old boobs. They look like they're done for, like they're hanging to the floor they weren't.

Esme: 1:10:21

That's like you were, that's like I don't remember, they were just more scared they were.

Laura: 1:10:25

They were really like bad, but um, I mean in my head.

Esme: 1:10:29

No girls, yeah, but you know what I was thinking? Okay, because, like, at this point we don't know if what's been going on there before they got there. So, like for all we know, there is like people that she breastfeeds, like that she's been breastfeeding forever. I mean, who knows she might, where's she getting that milk? She might be making milk. I don't think so, we just don't know.

Laura: 1:10:46

That's like an unanswered question, I feel like I think she went upstairs to the fridge and she has access and like, got milk or something. Who's buying the fucking milk? Like maybe she grabbed it, I don't know. So look, that part is an answer. Like you said, what I did like about this was that like it's rubbed in our face the theme of like rape and how women are targets and blah blah and we skipped over the part that they showed us a scene that looked out of place with the movie about this guy that was a predator to women.

Laura: 1:11:12

We skipped that whole scene right now.

Esme: 1:11:14

But that's the part I was gonna say.

Laura: 1:11:15

I don't remember when they showed that it happened right before, like this scene Before the breastfeeding. I think so Because of what I thought about, because I remember what I felt when I saw this scene. So that means I already knew what was going on with that guy.

Esme: 1:11:26

Yeah, that's important. Well, we could share it.

Laura: 1:11:27

But right now I'm going to tie it back.

Esme: 1:11:28

Okay.

Laura: 1:11:33

So what I did like about this scene, which is like weird, like what could he possibly like was that, since we are, women, are always targeted, always abused. I'm like finally there's a guy who could be a questionable rapist. He's getting abused right now oh yeah, I thought that too, like that's what he gets.

Esme: 1:11:48

It's what it feels like to be like for something that you do not want to be done to you forcefully, like you have no choice, like they're forcing you. Like, even if you're saying no somehow, you have no power and you're still a huevo. Like guess what you are doing this? Yep, that's exactly what I said so yeah. So that part was kind of like yeah, cool, f you, f you aj. But okay, go back to the very important part that.

Laura: 1:12:08

I do not remember what part it started you guys will see it and it's like the only part of the movie that's out of the time frame that we're living in the movie, because it's like a modern movie, but then we get blasted to like the 80s.

Esme: 1:12:20

I don't know because they said reagan, okay, okay.

Laura: 1:12:23

That's the only thing that you know that, and then to me it looked like a like those like utopia ugly neighborhood. It looked almost like the 50s, like the women ladies. That's what I was gonna say, this we don't know you guys can let us know and correct us, like to what exact era this was in, because I also thought it was the 50s.

Esme: 1:12:38

That's why I want to watch this movie again, but you know what I I do think it was the 80s because even the women were and the men the way they were dressed in the carritos it looked like the 50s. No, his car was the 80s car. Okay, no, so so erase all that it is 80s.

Laura: 1:12:51

It is now that I'm thinking about the vehicles, because the girls were wearing like gowns, like from greece, like those big, like poofy dresses. No, yeah, the girls.

Esme: 1:13:00

They were wearing that. I didn't see anybody with a poofy dress girl that he's like oh, I'm your plumber. She wasn't wearing a poofy dress. It wasn't like no, it was not a poofy dress, maybe but it looked very like it reminded me kind of like the 60s, but it's not.

Laura: 1:13:12

It wasn't yeah and then the fact that all the houses were pastel and like lined up like that, like that utopia neighborhood type thing.

Esme: 1:13:20

That's like an old layout back in the day for sure like 50s, so whatever hey, so so my things that say what I'm saying is that it was the 80s is because the age of that man that we found at the end which I don't want to jump ahead, but he's he could have still been alive, he was, he looked, already looked older, so like I think he would have been. So I think the ideal time is 80s. And then, plus, I said that I definitely heard them talk about reagan as the president and president reagan was during the 80s at some point and definitely I paid attention to his car because I was trying to figure out what kind of car it was and it was like from the 80s.

Esme: 1:13:50

It was like a four-door like some kind of elder. No, not good thing that you pay attention to those details no the other car that passed by was el dorado. His car was more like a four-door chevy impala or something like that pay attention to those details.

Laura: 1:14:01

So the all of that is actually relevant, because the point is that he is a predator and he is so such, not like a regular, like weirdo creeper guy. He's like an actual person that's down to like abduct people and like do damage because, first of all, he was shopping things that you need when you're when a woman's gonna give birth, and he even said like no, there's no midwife and no, I'm not taking her to the hospital, like it's just me and her but he had like a weird attitude like like kind of like dull, very like just matter of fact, give me what I need and I'm out of here.

Esme: 1:14:30

Yeah, and you don't know yet, like and and remember, the lady threw in that videotape. That's where they got the videotape the lactating one.

Laura: 1:14:37

Yeah, the lady that was helping him buy his plastic sheets and diapers and all that junk, yeah, so she threw that in there he had like a weird attitude like I would think like an expecting father is going to be excited and he's going to want to take her to a hospital or at least have a midwife to help. But he was like no, if he's like an expecting father with a wife or whatever that's pregnant, why is he over there like looking at some other girl that's just minding her own business? And then the fact that he would follow her to her house, like all of that. And then he had that weird outfit and plan he plans to do something in that moment that's gonna benefit him later, because it alludes to he's gonna go back later, break in her house and take her. So he, like you said, he has a freaking jumpsuit at hand that says carlos, a carlos. I've thought about that. Like carlos ain't no mexican not carlos.

Esme: 1:15:25

You can tell that he's not a carlos. I'm like who did you jack for this outfit?

Laura: 1:15:29

yeah probably had a thrift shop maybe. And again it shows you the times that they live, because nowadays ain't nobody gonna let you in their house like that. But she's like, okay, yeah, like you can go check my my water pressure, my water pressure, like she just let him in, didn't even follow him to be like, oh like, let me see what you're doing.

Esme: 1:15:45

Let me see, you don't have a clipboard, and she's like oh, like, everything's fine. Then he's like yeah, and all he did was unlock her window door so it could be unlocked when he goes later yeah, because in this bathroom it wasn't the little tiny windows up on top, it was like a big, like full-size window that you could lock and like lift up and then the worst sign is like when he's going home to that oh, and we didn't even mention this man is exiting and entering his home.

Laura: 1:16:09

That's the rental property. Yes, we didn't even touch base on that. That's like the most important part. He lives there, so he's like the previous owner or inhabitant of that thing and the neighborhood was once all nice.

Esme: 1:16:21

And then remember that his neighbor came and told him and his neighbor didn't even think weird that he was that outfit with the carlos name on it, but he went up to him and he was like oh, did you hear what reagan is doing to her economy? I guess what he's talking about, reagan I don't know. And he's just like oh yeah, all this neighborhood's gonna go to shit. He goes, he goes where he goes. Don't be surprised tomorrow. I have a for sale sign in front of my house and like, basically he's saying like we're gonna like a lot of us are leaving the neighborhood, are you gonna stay? And he goes oh yeah, I'm not going nowhere.

Laura: 1:16:46

The biggest factor in this that shows like okay, he's a bad man is that he goes back to his house and we realize like he doesn't really have a wife and family or something like normal. What it is is that, like you already fill in the blanks like he abducts females and maybe they end up pregnant because he like does. And then you know like about that room that's in the house. So now it makes sense like, oh, he's the one that made all that, because he walks straight to the basement door, he opens it and there's a girl screaming, like like it was muffled because it was closed, but she's like screaming and she's probably, like you don't know, in agony or maybe he like tortured her, like has her in like a weird state, and then he's going with all the supplies who knows, maybe she was about to give birth and he's like, oh, I gotta go to the store real quick yeah, she's probably in the middle of giving birth tied up somewhere, and then that night he was gonna go up to the other lady yeah, we don't really have nothing like spelled out for us, but we could fill in the blank that fool's not a normal man

Laura: 1:17:32

now it jumps back to like what we already. So then at this point, test does what like she should have done a long time ago. And she sees that he's busy breastfeeding. So she's like this is my chance. Now that she's distracted that lady they call her the mother she's like I'm dipping, so she gets out. She literally escaped and she passes by that room and sees that he's struggling and she's like I'm out, she's rushing out of there and she moves a measuring tape which then alerts the mother that she's fleeing and she's out that was so scary, because I was like no, like you're almost out, just run, yeah.

Laura: 1:18:03

So then she just starts booking it even more and the door is once again shut of the basement. Yes, that one little window she's like I gotta go out, yeah she breaks it, it's somehow, she's halfway, huh, as soon as she's getting out and like struggling, because I imagine it's hard if you're using your upper body and trying to like I was like there's no way she's gonna get up she.

Laura: 1:18:25

She's getting out and lo and behold, that crazy homeless that was once chasing her in the start is there and helps her. He helps her, he drags her out of there and boom, right behind her. It's kind of like that it scene where, like you see the clown in the little bottom of the curb, like in the sewer, like reaching out his hands to get Georgie it was that same thing Like the mother was right behind her about to grab her. You could see the mother, the face and the arms In daylight now, which you could see how ugly and scary she is. And then now you realize all the homeless all along was trying to warn her about don't go in there.

Esme: 1:18:57

Yeah, which is the homeless that was chasing her when she was running in the door? Judge people by their appearances yeah like he that we thought that he was like the bad person and then homeless person, which we think, oh, he's part of the hills, have eyes, people that live here. And he was not. He was just trying to help her.

Laura: 1:19:13

He was trying to help her and he told her I told you not to go there. So all along she is proving herself to be like dumb slash, selfless person, because she's still trying to help the people that are trapped there and she tried to help bill, but obviously you know, we already know how that turned out and once again she feels an inclination to not leave that one guy behind.

Esme: 1:19:31

Aj yeah, and the homeless guy is trying to tell him, no, you can't go back for him because no, we have to, and I'm selfish like that, I would have been like no, I'm leaving.

Laura: 1:19:40

Like this was the third chance that god gave me to leave, I'm not gonna go back I?

Esme: 1:19:44

I don't know what I would. I know that I would want to help him. Would I put myself in danger to help him?

Laura: 1:19:49

no, I wouldn't put myself in danger, but I would have been like, let me call the cops just like you did, and if the cops don't do anything, that's and guess what the cops did.

Esme: 1:19:55

They didn't help. Not a damn freaking thing they were. Why was I not? Surprised they were also judging her by her looks, because she looked all dirty and like like she's been in a hole and the fact that it was that neighborhood that's like abandoned, they just thought she was probably up to no good and she's like I'm not crazy, and they were just looking at her like I feel like I feel like if you say that you sound more crazy, but anyways but you know what I sort of got and I'm not gonna talk about it here.

Esme: 1:20:17

But I've had bad experiences with cops, unfortunately, and that's the literally I felt, like that's the way they like listen to you, like they don't believe a word that you're saying, like you can tell, like I'm in trouble, like this happened, this happened. They look at you like like we've heard it all, like we heard it all get our get out of our face. You know like, instead, like she's like I escaped. You know like I was being held against my will, like I literally have been in situations that I've been like just because someone made me go and tell the cops, and for what?

Laura: 1:20:42

yeah, no shade to the good cops out there yeah, exactly, because there's good and bad in every industry unfortunately, these were asshole cops. So then the little homeless man ends up telling her a good key point. He says make sure he's like do whatever you want, make sure you're not here at night, because she comes out at night. So that was very telling, because it's like, oh, she roams when it's dark. Then you kind of remember the beginning that. So she was the one that opened the door and was like being my teacher.

Laura: 1:21:06

Honestly, after that things move pretty fast, like she is willing to go back and she has this moment of like. I feel like adrenaline because, just like the homeless guy anticipated, the woman is out, remember. She goes in her car, it's nighttime and she's like I guess she had made a decision, like I'm not gonna leave aj. So the woman is out into the street and boom, she decides to run her over. Damn okay, like maybe she died. That's all it took. It was a good, opportune moment, but now her car's wrecked.

Laura: 1:21:33

So that's what ends up a bad sign, because now you gotta like run your ass out of that city and then, secondly, is it confirmed that that's all it took for that strong ass lady to die, because, remember, she's strong?

Laura: 1:21:42

I thought she was pinned I thought at first like okay, she's not gonna be able to get away but since she's strong, you know, maybe she pushed the car to think yeah, so she wastes no time. She runs back into, like the whole downstairs, all that, yeah, she disappears and she gets. Well, we're also kind of like traveling fast because aj at that point is also trying to make a run for it, and he finds another door which you're like what can possibly get like? Well, how can this get worse?

Laura: 1:22:08

yes and he finds the rapist from the 50s or whatever era we're talking about and we don't.

Esme: 1:22:14

He doesn't know. He finds his old man, like an elderly man, in the bed right coughing, and he's like he's trying to help him.

Laura: 1:22:20

Oh, my god, I'm gonna get you out of here and this and that, and then the the man kept pointing to something that was kind of like in the air. Aj didn't know what he meant, but la rimolawa and come to a little side table and there was we didn't know yet, but there was a gun that he was trying to get. So you know, old man is harmless and the thing is that. But now, when he has a gun in his hand, right.

Esme: 1:22:39

And at first, aj, this is the part that made the man like point at that that he wanted that, because he said, oh my God, there's something out there Like you know, don't worry, I'm going to help you. Like, as soon as I get out of here, we're going to have cops all over this place, like don't worry, and this and that.

Laura: 1:22:55

So I think that is what made him want to be like maybe because all that room was like incriminating things of everything that he had done, because there was like videotapes of every yeah, because as, like you know, that man was trying to like, get whatever he was trying to get.

Esme: 1:23:10

What we didn't know was a gun. Yet from the drawer he starts looking around right like well, how do we get out of here?

Esme: 1:23:16

and all of a sudden he sees, like these tapes, right, they're all labeled of like descriptions of girls they're labeled like redhead from the gas station and then puker, and like like verbs and adjectives about like these women descriptions, you know. So like he was like what the hell? There was one that was already in there, maybe that he pushed in, yeah, and it came out and right away he's like what the hell is this? And like he like turned it off and he turned around and right when he turned around, he got scared because he saw him getting the gun out and we all think like, oh, that was gonna blast him right now, but he instead turns it on himself and he shoots himself in the head. Why? Because he's an elderly man that thinks he's gonna get caught, finally, and doesn't want to be. He's an old-ass man. The cops come and they're gonna take him and then what? Like he's already, like boom, I'm out.

Laura: 1:23:57

So he's like what the fuck? Yeah, so then you guys will see that scene, you guys can interpret it, because and then he goes and he gets the gun.

Esme: 1:24:04

So at this time I still think that he's gonna go and help tess. I still think he's gonna like this guy's so stupid he's gonna ruin his life. Because I'm already thinking in my head like, let's say, she calls the cops and he already has this incriminating thing that's happening to him, that he's being accused of something. I go and then they're gonna find that he owns this house. That man's dead. He got the gun. His prints are on it. They're gonna think he killed that old man. For whatever reason I go, they're gonna think that that's his room. That was here, his tapes.

Esme: 1:24:33

I was already thinking like that fool's fuck, like all this is gonna look it's his. Because I'm still thinking he, there might be something good about him. Like I'm still thinking, oh, at the end he's going to help Tess and he's not a bad guy as bad as we think he is. I'm like, damn, now they're going to think that he's the one because he owns it. So now it's going to come out in the news that he owns this and there was this weird shit going on with the tunnels and whatever. They're going to pin it on him. That's what I thinking this whole time still yeah well, I didn't think about.

Laura: 1:24:58

That's really insightful. And then he has a gun in his possession so, as he's running out bad timing, tess is in there trying to save him. So he shoots her because he thinks that she's the monster but, he luckily realizes his mistake and he helps her. He's like we're gonna, we're gonna leave together, like don't worry, I got you he tells her I'm sorry, like, and that was so terrible.

Esme: 1:25:17

Because we're thinking like oh my god, and why did I know? I have, I had a feeling I'm like that, as soon as that fool like gets the gun and she's coming down and even though she was like hello, I'm like girl, you're about to get shot and boom.

Laura: 1:25:30

so I think about it. She's walking in there confidently because she doesn't think anything else exists down there other than that lady. And she's like I just ran over. And then he, she's thinking, well, there, there's no tools here, like she doesn't imagine that he has a gun, yeah, and he's strapped, like that. So they both leave outside and they realize the lady's not there. So it's like a world of emotions for both of them. And then he left. He lost his keys right Like he. Yeah, they were just like they said, where he lived, by the water tower. So they're like that's our like safe haven for tonight. So they go over there and they're walking and they're like we're almost there and, yeah, they find him.

Laura: 1:26:05

He's like I told you that it was like a funny, a funny little scene, because you know he's, he's there like right where she knew he would be. He starts saying like more information too. It's a very like informative scene too, because he obviously knows a lot about like he's been there the house and the guy who used to live there. And he tells them like, oh, you might have owned that house, but that guy never left, they've never left. And then he just starts to say that like he was first of all like abusing, kidnapping and raping women, but that he was also doing like incest with the offspring that were being created. So then we kind of know, like, why she came out born like that.

Esme: 1:26:47

Because she's like her genetics are probably wrecked. And the thing is, too, that he said like to the when they were trying to go over there. We have to go back, or whatever. He's like hell, no, was it when she was by herself. He goes up with the mother and whatever he's like. You know what? There's worse things down there than her so it made me think like are there more like her down there? Which?

Laura: 1:26:59

we never saw that, or did he mean the dad like we don't know? That was already on. What's he gonna do?

Esme: 1:27:02

I know, so is that stayed in my head there's worse things down there, and just the fact that, like how he said, like that story, the incest thing, like I'm like so is there more that's what made me think too, like maybe she still likes it, like maybe there's other little beings there that they just recreate within themselves or something.

Laura: 1:27:18

Yeah, like who knows, who knows? Well, we didn't get that far, so it's all up to interpretation and that's what's cool about this movie. Like you can fill in the blanks however you want.

Esme: 1:27:25

I really like this movie for that reason because, like I'm telling you, it kept surprising me. Like it kept surprising me, like the story kept like what the hell?

Laura: 1:27:33

What the hell it was was like how are you so sure that this is a safe place?

Esme: 1:27:39

And the moment she asked that question, I'm like dude, no, she's going to come today, and to me it was the way he answered that made me oh no, he's dead. He's like I've been here for 15 years and I have never seen this, and boom, she just breaks through the wall, whatever little setup he had. Yeah.

Laura: 1:27:59

And she attacks him, she kills him. A very like you don't know what's gonna happen now, like there's a final moment where he's reaching the peak. They just make a run for it. Remember, tess is unfortunately worst time being injured, so she's like suffering a little wound as she's trying to like move fast. The thing about them and like why did they decide? I guess the easiest thing was to go up because it was stairs, but I'm like why would you go?

Laura: 1:28:18

up, because then you like, you're trapped up like if you're walking, running in the street, though you'll keep running, running like a maze.

Esme: 1:28:23

Yeah, that was stupid. But at the same time I thought, okay, well, she can't get far in her condition. And the only thing I was thinking was like if they're up and that lady's trying to get up, they could kick her and they could do things to make her fall down. Like it's easier to guard the perimeter than to be being chased by her. She's gonna grab him regardless. So in my head that was like the only thing, that what I felt. But then I started thinking like that guy, because you saw how like he left her behind and he started climbing up and she could barely climb. He was like hurry up hurry up, hurry up.

Esme: 1:28:51

But he was already like going ahead and then, like she could barely drag herself up the stairs and I'm like damn, like that boy is like all mad for himself at this moment but I'm still still thinking. Will he help? Do you try to help?

Laura: 1:29:02

And then she made it up the stairs to the top of the water tower and then she's like, oh, your gun and his stupid ass. Out of nervousness he drops it. What an idiot. But that would have been their saving grace right there, yeah. And then he says she's coming up.

Esme: 1:29:16

I would have just been like we have to just kick her. Kick her in the face, so she falls off.

Laura: 1:29:20

I think we already knew at that point that, like she didn't really like him because they did they weren't able to bond, like he rejected her. But since she was going with the flow, we already realized test became the future's favorite uh-huh so like she wanted to like keep her, so that clicked in his head too. So that's when he decided to do a very selfish, horrible thing, asshole thing.

Esme: 1:29:40

Because he couldn't fight her off like a real man, or, let's say, like that didn't work, they were both gonna die but what did he do?

Esme: 1:29:47

say it, he sacrificed tess. He's like you know what she wants you. So I'm sorry, baby. He's like here, take your baby, go get your baby. And he literally grabs this and throws her off the building. And I'm like, did he just fucking throw off the building to save himself? Like one thing is like okay, like a regular asshole person. Let's say they're in the room, we'll leave her behind. Well, okay, she's like her. He could just run and go down the stairs and like okay, you can worry about yourself. That's still being a freaking horrible asshole fighting to get her and throw her off the building. Go get your baby. That's like dude.

Laura: 1:30:20

And piece of shit that she went. But she would have been home already and she still went. She's only in that situation because she went back. She went back for him. Yeah, that's why you don't go.

Esme: 1:30:27

And then the mom well, not for people like him. But how do we know? How do we know? But see then. But guess what? She did get saved because somehow the mom went after her baby because she was bigger like more heavy we call her the mom just because the mother the movie like titles her that way. But ain't nothing motherly about her we just she's trying to be motherly, she's trying to take care of tez, but yeah, she's like. That was like a little like like a very sweet moment because it's like okay.

Laura: 1:30:53

So at the end let's just say, let's just say she falls.

Esme: 1:30:56

Yeah, let's just say she falls, but the mom I guess the mother, the monster, slash, whatever you want to call her the barbarian. She falls to the ground somehow before tess. She breaks tess's fall. So they both fall down, but tess falls on top of her like she lands on her somehow. So that's the only thing that saved her. So she actually saved tess.

Laura: 1:31:17

And tess wakes up and she's like, oh whatever, but then she's still not dead and, and then AJ's like oh, you know, I'm sorry, like again, like you know, you understand, right, I had to throw you off, but you understand, I got you, I got you, we're getting out of this together.

Esme: 1:31:29

Like yeah, he goes down and he's still, but that's the same thing. It to do that right, like he wants to make it like okay, oh, you would do it too, but but now we're here together, so let's just move on.

Laura: 1:31:45

they're like fuck that bull, you know.

Esme: 1:31:47

Yeah, like see a lot of his true colors in this movie and I feel like people are like that there's a lot of assholes like that, like that will just throw you under the bus, throw you off a building and then apologize to you, just because, like, they think it's okay, because they're just trying to save themselves you know all right.

Laura: 1:32:00

So then they really like stand up. And then the mother is like like she wakes up, yeah, she wakes up like she's like undefeatable, undefeatable. She grabs him because she sees him as the threat.

Esme: 1:32:10

Like you just try to murder my baby so she grabs him by the neck and then pulls him up, and then she gives her thumbs with her long nails that are like overgrown and she sticks them in his eye sockets, which I think was a great way to die for him as an actor, because in jeepers creepers, which is where I remember him from, his death was also.

Laura: 1:32:33

His eyes were gone. So I'm like is this on purpose shut up? That's the last scene of jeepers creepers. They show his face and he has no eyeballs.

Esme: 1:32:41

Oh my god so I, I recognize that. I mean in jeepers creepers. It was about like, take a look at those peepers, just like your eyes. Oh, jeepers creepers, take a look at them peepers. Okay, I don't know about that song, but that's how little thing was. Anyways, who cares um? The point is that I, I, I forgot about that, I didn't know.

Laura: 1:32:58

So, yes, so like I've been waiting the whole podcast to say that.

Esme: 1:33:03

So she sticks her thumbs like all up in his eye sockets and they like into his brains and like obviously he dies, yeah, a very horrible death that he so deserves, that he deserves. And then, and this is the bittersweet, moment.

Laura: 1:33:16

Go, no, no, go. I don't want to say that ending was like memorable, even though I didn't feel the same way.

Esme: 1:33:21

Okay, so the mother turns around and gets tess and she's still like hurt and whatever right, and she like goes and caresses her cheek and then like, at first like we're scared and tess is like scared but then she's like baby. She tries to say like baby with her, like weird voice, but then she does a little, she, she kisses her fingers and then she puts it on her face and I'm like, oh my god, like she's. I really at this moment. I know that she was a monster and she killed keith and this guy but he deserted who knows who the hell like else she killed.

Esme: 1:33:53

It was just like those three people we saw her kill, but we don't know like who else she's killed throughout her life. So obviously she's a killer. I was like who's Keith? So, like you know, she kills people. But like, obviously she has like her feelings and like her in her brain. Tess was her baby.

Laura: 1:34:10

That's probably all she wanted in life and she's, yeah, and that's all the only video that she watches over and over again.

Esme: 1:34:15

So she's probably, like, always wanted a baby that to take care of and she's trying, she a baby that's take care of, and she's trying. She was trying to take care of her and she was. She kept her alive in a cage at the bottom, but she kept her alive and then now she's trying to, like, save her from this guy that was trying to throw her off the building. So she gave her a kiss on the forehead kiss but like on her hand, and then she put in her forehead.

Esme: 1:34:31

So at this moment I, as the viewer, felt like sorry for this creature because, like, obviously she was the fruit of all this, like torture and rape and like abuse that this man, this elderly man, frank, that was like killing women, raping, butchering since the 80s. She was obviously the fruit of that, you know. So she was something that came from something horrible and her only life that she ever knew was living in these tunnels and whatever her, that little video that she kept watching was. You know, I'm saying so I did feel sorry for her. I'm like, dude, like where do you fit in this world? You don't like you're. You're a monster created by this person.

Esme: 1:35:12

I did feel sorry for her, but then I even think tess knew that she was reaching and she grabs the gun she already knows. The only way I could save myself from being dragged back down to the tunnel and living with this lady forever is if I shoot her right now. So she got it. She put it really slow. I feel like the mother looked at the gun and she just either she she didn't know what it was because she just kind of like she like put her cheek against it, like she like like almost like like she thought tess was caressing her with it or, if she knew, she knew what it was like she probably accepted the fact, like well, I thought she accepted it. I think she would have gone berserk, I don't know, because I think at this point she loved Tess. The point is that Tess, that was her only chance and she finally made a decision.

Esme: 1:35:53

And she did the right decision and she shot her dead. She made the right decision dead because that was the only way that she was going to kill this person. Obviously, she already fell off a building, she already got run over, she already whatever, and she was not dying. So the only way was to kill her with the gun, which she finally burned her at the stake.

Laura: 1:36:07

I'm just kidding. And then she went walking dawn like walking I hate when that happens, when in movies it's like oh, very great timing, son, you decided to come around now.

Esme: 1:36:16

We needed you like an hour ago oh my god, I know why is that. You know what? I'm glad that you say that because there's a lot of movies that like are dude, like dude, like it's all nighttime and then like, finally, when the sun comes, like oh, yeah, I already finished.

Laura: 1:36:28

Like, yeah, all the drama so, like on legit, you know dictionary vibes right here. Barbarian means this in ancient times a member of a community or tribe not belonging to one of the great civilizations, such as greek, roman, christian. What does it mean to call someone a barbarian, a person from an uncivilized culture or a person with no manners? Okay, I know like by the book they're referring to the mother or that lady as the barbarian, but now, like with all these other characters like who do you think is a real barbarian? Aj?

Esme: 1:36:59

or is it frank?

Laura: 1:36:59

I think it's frank, but yeah, aj's like in that category of like, they're the ones that are barbarians, that are like don't know how to live in a civilization and be like good human beings. Yeah.

Esme: 1:37:08

I mean, I feel the original barbarian was Frank, even though we only saw him like in a memory.

Laura: 1:37:14

Because you know what I argue. It's Frank, because justifiable at all. When he saw the tapes like we don't know what was in it he looked like he was really unsettled, like yeah, he's a rapist, but he wouldn't go do what frank did right.

Esme: 1:37:26

So I mean, in reality, I think, yeah, frank, even though he had minimal, like minimal screen time, but he was, we are.

Laura: 1:37:33

We already knew that he was like the worst person alive like he was bad, like that was bad yeah, so horrible, but at the same time, like that's what I'm saying, like it wasn't like barbarian.

Esme: 1:37:42

No, it definitely was not the mother creature, it wasn't her.

Laura: 1:37:46

Like I know, like it's directed to her but I think on purpose too, like they want us to ponder on that idea. So you'll definitely enjoy it, because it's a movie filled with like ups and downs and, like I said, it left an impression on me.

Esme: 1:37:59

I don't think I've ever seen a movie like this one I really hope that our listeners have already watched it because, like normally, I don't care about spoilers. I like to know someone. I know for sure you, you're a liar, you don't like spoilers.

Laura: 1:38:12

I don't know why you keep saying on the podcast I'm outing her right now, um you're always saying like no, you're spoiling it, or like no, why do you want to get it spoiled?

Esme: 1:38:22

I say that when other people spoil it for other people, I don't really care about it. Okay, but I know that other people will, so it's like, okay, don't spoil it for that person, especially if they're watching it at that moment. Don't spoil it, because we're literally going to see that right now.

Esme: 1:38:41

Well, they know already that we talk about like everything. So that's what I'm saying. I'm hoping now they know you guys know listeners, hopefully, anyways, yes, so I'm gonna say that this is one of, like one of the movies that I really enjoyed it like I haven't enjoyed a movie this much in a very long time, like it was really good and I can't believe I didn't watch it 2022 when it came out right, shout out to laura's co-workers, because they're the ones that recommended the movie to you and then you to me yeah, they have really good recommendations.

Laura: 1:39:07

Now, every time they mention something like this week they one of the girls. She brought up another movie and I'm thinking to myself like I'm actually gonna watch it. Usually that flies over my head. I'm like I don't care what people recommend if I don't want to do it, but I trust them. They're credible recommenders, so hopefully we have made it to that category in your lives. We're credible horror movie recommendators.

Esme: 1:39:26

I don't know how to say it Good try.

Laura: 1:39:30

How would you rate this movie? I rate it, like I said, 15 out of 10. Oh yeah, it was really good.

Esme: 1:39:34

Highest point possible. Boom, it broke your scale. This is like a five-star movie.

Laura: 1:39:39

So yeah, because of the fact that the movie is up for interpretation, there's a lot of points that you could, you know, draw your own conclusion, feel free to send us an email if you maybe have like a contrasting idea about what happened.

Esme: 1:39:54

ChicasCucuy at gmailcom. Also, if any of you guys have any scary stories that you would like to share with us, please send us a little summary of what it's about to chicasguy at gmailcom. You can also put in your contact information because if we like it, we'll respond and maybe interview you in our podcast. All right, so I guess we both like this movie and I'm down to watch it again, because I know two people in my household haven't seen it and now that we know it's on hulu, let's watch it again me too.

Laura: 1:40:21

Run, don't walk to see the movie. Okay, all right, and even if you have to rent it on amazon prime, it's worth it 23 bucks, so it's fine okay, it's worth it, so it's worth it. And up next our scary story. So stay tuned all right, everybody.

Esme: 1:40:44

So now we're gonna get to the part where we talk about a scary true story. The one that we have for today is sent by richard j, and he actually gave permission to read it, and here's the story. So I'll start it now. You ready, laura? I'm ready? Okay, so this is what he wrote years ago.

Esme: 1:41:01

I visited the axe murder house in velisca, iowa, where a couple and six children were murdered back in 1912. I was in upstairs bedroom where the four little kids died. There's a thing on the wall containing their photos and names. One is paul, who was six years old. I asked if anyone there was named Paul. After a minute or so, the closet door, which was firmly shut, slowly creaked open a few inches, like in the old horror movies, all by itself. Then it creaked shut all by itself. It did that three more times. My heart was pounding. I was really scared. I almost got up and ran. It was almost like that little guy was playing hide and seek with me. But the house's caretaker, who had been there for years, says that he now thinks a demon makes the visitors think that they're experiencing the children's ghosts, and that's even scarier. There's all kinds of Axe Murder House info online, but it's truly a haunted place. Okay, so that's what he sent in a message. What do you think about that?

Laura: 1:42:04

Do you think it's actually the child or, like the caretaker says that he thinks it's a demon making visitors think it's the kids, I think that it's a demon disguising themselves as the child. And first of all, I think that like this richard guy is like interesting that he voluntarily decided to go visit the house, because that's also him like looking for trouble yes and poking around in a haunted environment.

Laura: 1:42:18

So, like A, he's very brave for that. But B could be seen as a cool thing because he got what he wanted, like he got to see. He got to experience something scary because, he said, even his heart was pounding. So I guess he left out of there like with his money's worth. But yeah, I think the fact that he did experience something and all that I mean it has to be bad juju for sure. I don't think. I don't think, like children's or any, any dead souls necessarily linger in the house, especially if they were taken out like that, like they were murdered, right?

Esme: 1:42:44

yeah like you know that's just bad energy that I'm sure another demon thrives off of very creepy indeed, yes, so maybe I should have read this part first, but I'm actually gonna give like a little mini background on it. So the valiska axe murders occurred between the evening and early morning of june 9 and 10 1912 in the town of valiska, iowa in the united states. The six members of the more family and two guests were found bludgeoned in the more residence. All eight victims, including six children, had severe head wounds from the axe. A lengthy investigation yielded several suspects, one of whom was tried twice. The first trial ended in a hung jury.

Laura: 1:43:19

That's so sad. Like I thought Axe, I didn't think Axe was like Axe Murder House. I didn't think that was in reference to the murder weapon.

Esme: 1:43:25

Yeah, well, yeah, what's it gonna be?

Laura: 1:43:27

I don't know, like their last name or where they live, Like who killed them? Just someone Like a serial killer.

Esme: 1:43:40

It says several suspects twice. Damn, the first trial ended in a hung jury and the second ended in an acquittal. Right here it says that accused his name was reverend george kelly. That's even crazy reverend, and the verdict was not guilty on the second trial, so he's a suspect. Over time any possible suspects emerged, including reverend george kelly, frank of jones, william lansfield, loving mitchell, paul muller and henry lee moore, no relation kelly was tried twice for the murder. The first trial ended up in a hung. Frank F Jones, william Mansfield, loving Mitchell, paul Mueller and Henry Lee Moore, no relation. Kelly was tried twice for the murder. The first trial ended up in a hearing jury while a second ended in acquittal. Other suspects in the investigation were also exonerated. So basically I mean they have like little tidbits of each person of why they suspected them. Okay, like, for example, there was one Every transient, otherwise unaccounted for, andrew Sawyer, for a stranger was a suspect in the murders.

Esme: 1:44:24

He was one of those people. He was interrogated but not charged. He was also obsessed with the murders and slept fully clothed as if he was ready to make a clean getaway, and he also slept with an ex by his bed. Reverend george kelly was a traveling minister in town on the night of the murders. He was described as peculiar, reportedly having suffered a mental breakdown as an adolescent. As an adult, he was accused of peeping and several times asking young women and girls to pose nude for him really a reverend. He left town between 5 am and 5 50 on june, 10th hours before the bodies were discovered. He had confessed to the murders in court but the jury did not believe his confession. Then it was him. In the weeks that followed he displayed a fascination with the case, where many letters to the police investigators of the deceased this aroused suspicion. Private investigator, his known mental illness made authorities question whether he knew the details because of having committed the murders or was imagining his account.

Esme: 1:45:08

Two years after the murders, kelly was arrested sending obscene material through the mail. He was sexually harassing a woman who applied for a job as a secretary. Well, he was sent to mental and he was arrested in 1917. That's like five years later. People have seen. A confession from him, however, was followed by many hours of interrogation and Kelly later recanted Frank F Jones. He was a resident and Iowa state senator. Well, josiah Moore had worked for him for many years before leaving to open his own store. Moore reportedly took business away from Jones, including. Moore reportedly took business away from Jones, including very successful John Deere dealership. Moore was rumored to have a sexual affair with Jones' daughter-in-law. No evidence supports this. I don't know how that makes him.

Laura: 1:45:42

It was a reverend man.

Esme: 1:45:44

Yeah, william Mansfield. Another theory is that the Senator Jones hired William, an ex-convict and former US Army stationed at Fort Deer, to murder the Moore family. There was two ex-murder cases followed in Ellsworth, kansas, and then went Pola, kansas. They were similar in not to raise possibility of having committed by the same person. There were axe murders in Southern Pacific Railroad and also there was the unsolved axe wound of New Orleans. Killings. Murders in Colorado Springs were closely related. So I mean, maybe this was like a serial killer. You know, yeah, but you know, back then it was more difficult. Like there was no dna testing, no, nothing. So I mean it was harder to find out who did what. And then somehow mansfield was also a prime suspect at burn detective agency of kansas city detective james newton wilkerson, who suggested that he was a cocaine addicted serial killer. Yeah, no, like it just seems like they were just trying to pin it on him. There's like a long description of all this stuff. Then henry lee moore, he was also a suspected serial killer.

Laura: 1:46:37

They had too many suspects yeah, when one already confessed someone moore, he was also a suspected serial killer. They had too many suspects. Yeah, when one already confessed samuel moyer.

Esme: 1:46:41

He was reported that he often threatened to kill josiah moore. However, alibi cleared him. So I mean, dang, it could have been a lot of people. Paul mueller he was part of a manhunt and james started killed selected families who lived around the railroad tracks. So those were just people that they suspected because they were also killers so they had some kind of thing. But either way, this is obviously something that happened.

Esme: 1:47:03

It was like messed up murder case because it was like a whole family that was wiped out that's so sad so yeah, like I, I feel like you know, there's a lot of places that people could go visit and they say they're haunted locations and then people could like maybe experience something like a 50 50 maybe, if you're like prone to it, or something like that.

Laura: 1:47:18

But yeah, if you saw things like that. It's a it's a rare thing like when you like, look for it and you're intentionally visiting somewhere, like something can happen to you. I think that's a rare thing for it to be like an immediate experience or sighting or something that you, you know get to take back home and say, yes, I proved that the place is haunted, you know, or like this happened to me. So for sure, you know, this is a place that has this energy. I think that's a lot of luck.

Esme: 1:47:44

It's like well, I don't know, it's rare, but maybe it just shows it's like a amityville horror type house, like it's so haunted that you're gonna see something like you're gonna for sure see something because you know what like and I can't think of what it's called, but I remember um seeing like some documentary and it was. It was like something like that. It was a house that a murder had been committed. They said it was a haunted place so they would open it for tours for people, but they had to close it down because it was so excessive that they were like no, we have to close it because we cannot guarantee the safety of the people that come and tour it. So I mean, there are places that are haunted enough.

Laura: 1:48:18

They should have kept it open and just said that, like you have to sign a waiver, they can make bank like I think most places have waiver signing they should have done that, like not not saying that you should I mean for the people that are looking for it into that.

Esme: 1:48:29

But yeah, if you want to.

Laura: 1:48:30

I mean at your own risk, yeah, but I mean who?

Esme: 1:48:32

knows, you know, like hauntings are never what you people imagine, like they're not going to hear necessarily voices or see apparitions. Sometimes it could be something like that could be dangerous, you know, like maybe items are being flung across the room that could crack you in the head. I mean, for all, for all we know it could be something like drastic like that, you know. I mean so I don't know because I can't recall, but I know there's some places like well, like that one place that I was watching in a documentary, and not only because of the people, but because the people, the workers there, like they, when they had to clean or after hours to lock up or whatever, they would experience too many things that people didn't even want to like work there after a while, like even people that were like into paranormal stuff, they were like scared, like they're like you know what, no like to be here every day.

Esme: 1:49:11

I can't do that, you know yeah, I wouldn't do it, so I understand I for sure would not do that, but I wouldn't, I don't think I even would want to go to a haunted place, like purposely like that, like to go experience something.

Laura: 1:49:21

Me neither Like we like. We like scary stuff, but not we don't want it to happen to us, right?

Esme: 1:49:27

I like watching. I mean Like, like I think we've said this before we like horror movies. Are we out there?

Laura: 1:49:32

looking for it.

Esme: 1:49:37

No, I'm like, I will be like, yeah, I'm looking for you to tell me your story.

Laura: 1:49:43

But I do not want another experience. That's why I started off with like Richard Jay is interesting for that. Because, he's very brave for that too. That's why I started off that way, because I had the same thought process, but like in a millisecond, I thought that I'm like he went over there voluntarily.

Esme: 1:50:00

Yeah, I know that I'm like he went over there voluntarily. Yeah, I know, I'm pretty sure, and anybody that would go out there would probably have different emotions or feelings if they're actually seeing, like, for example, him, that he was seeing a closet door open and close and like creak open slowly, you know. I mean, it wasn't like a person came out and touched them or like he saw a little boy running or anything like that. It was something that's kind of subtle, but not really subtle like it's something that you could see. Yeah, and yeah, he's in his mind because he knows the story. He went in there saying like, yeah, it's probably that little boy and he's like playing games with me, but then the caretaker comes and says and they know what I think they're there all the time.

Esme: 1:50:30

So I mean maybe like the energy of the house. I mean because anytime, like we already know, like anytime that something terrible happens in a place of, of course, it's going to pull in or attract negative energy. So it could easily be some like evil spirit or demonic force that just is taking, you know, taking advantage of the fact that people are there, and it's like, oh OK, now I can mess with people while they're coming here.

Laura: 1:50:50

Well, I'll make sure to never visit that place in Iowa, if I even end up in Iowa one day. But yeah, those are interesting. Those are interesting because, because we're not gonna go, so we need to hear people's accounts, because, since we're not going, we need people that are brave enough to tell us their accounts of what they experienced. Yeah, just know, this whole recording is full of noises, I know no.

Esme: 1:51:12

So overall, I think that is a creepy story and yeah, like lala says, I am not gonna be running to go to experience any, but I love that there's brave people out there that are willing to do it and they could tell us their story yes, well, that's all folks okay and remember.

Esme: 1:51:27

If you have any stories or you have gone anywhere scary and spooky, even if it's on purpose, feel free to tell us your story. Remember chicasucuy at gmailcom. And for all you listeners, we also want to say thank you, thank you, thank you for being so patient with us, thank you for your continued support. Keep on listening, keep staying. I'm sorry, it's okay. It's okay, I can delete you.

Laura: 1:51:49

No, it's okay.

Esme: 1:51:52

I can erase you from existence. I'm just kidding.

Laura: 1:51:53

Thank you for your continued support. I second that we you for your continued support. I second that we don't plan on stopping anytime soon. Our podcast is something that we look forward to doing because of the fact that it gives us a reason to keep watching scary movies, which we would do regardless, um. So yeah, thank you, and stay tuned for the next episode. Till next time, bye, thank you.