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Run Rabbit Run review/ Jessica's chilling sleep paralysis encounter
1/20/25- Join us as we, Esme and our special co-host Jessica D., unravel the psychological twists and turns of "Run Rabbit Run," a film that embraces haunting psychological narratives over traditional scares. Set in the eerie landscapes of Australia, the movie weaves a tale of a fertility doctor Sarah and her daughter, Mia, where family dynamics and a mysterious rabbit stir emotions and evoke questions about reality and guilt.
The conversation takes a riveting turn as we discuss the unsettling family visit that spirals into chaos when Mia's grandmother mistakes her for someone else, unraveling deep-seated family secrets and triggering eerie childhood memories for Sarah. As we piece together this chilling storyline, we explore the symbolic presence of the rabbit and its mysterious influence over Mia, connecting disturbing events and Sarah's haunting past. Our discussion raises intriguing questions about intention, culpability, and whether childhood actions are forgivable or permanently haunting.
In a heart-stirring segment, Jessica shares her own experience with sleep paralysis, leading us into broader questions of the supernatural. Did Jessica's mom come to her from the other side to comfort her? To warn her? Or to possibly cross her over?? This chilling encounter with what seemed like an otherworldly presence fuels a conversation about the blurring lines between reality and the dream world, where entities might lurk in the shadows. As we wrap up, we invite our listeners to reflect on guilt, forgiveness, and the open-ended mysteries of "Run Rabbit Run," urging them to share their interpretations of the film's enigmatic conclusion.
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The Hello listeners. We are Chica's Cuckooey. Thank you for tuning in to our podcast.
Speaker 2:This is a podcast dedicated to horror movies and real life cuckooey's. We take a deep dive into the horror film world and bring you the latest and greatest and sometimes the not so great. We will give you our cinematic reviews and insights to what makes them so terrifyingly good and please beware of spoilers.
Speaker 1:We want you to be happy hearing us, not mad at us for telling you what happens, and after each session we'll feature a real life scary story. If you have one to share, we'd love to hear about it. And hey, it may even end up in one of our episodes.
Speaker 2:Tune, love to hear about it and, hey, it may even end up in one of our episodes. Tune in, if you dare. Welcome back. My name is esme and today I have a special co-host that's going to help me talk about our movie of the week, and her name is Jessica. Yay, hello everybody, hi. So she's a really good friend of mine and she likes watching movies a lot. She likes to go to the beach for strolls at night. She likes piña coladas. I'm just kidding. Go ahead and tell us a little smidgen about yourself.
Speaker 3:Okay, so I have. As May said, we're really good friends. I've known her for many, many years. That's my road dog and I love everything and anything related to horror. I love going out, I love my Dodgers you catch me at the Dodger games often or ditching work to go to the World Series Parade and live music. And again, horror stuff. Horror, horror, horror, horror.
Speaker 2:Okay, horror, horror, Horror. Okay, All right everyone. So today we are going to talk about a movie called Run Rabbit Run, and this movie came out 2023. They actually have it like a horror drama. Do you think that's accurate, Jessie?
Speaker 3:Drama and I feel like it's definitely like psychological. Yes, I agree Psychological. Yes, it's not a horror movie, whereas, like you're, drama and I feel like it's definitely like psychological.
Speaker 2:Yes, I agree psychological yes it's not a horror movie, whereas like you're gonna get jump scares and it's gonna be like, oh my god, I'm so scared. It's more of like intense psychological trauma.
Speaker 1:Yes, yes for sure.
Speaker 2:So that's the type and if you look it up, in a nutshell it says that it's unsettling, thrilling and horrific. So yeah, I think that's kind of accurate. And I was kind of reading the overview on it which I do that sometimes just to see how they describe it like and it says here a fertility doctor known as a strange behavior, and I was like, wait, I'm like a fertility doctor? I don't even know what she did for a living. The whole movie I was like what?
Speaker 3:I'm like that's a surprise. I didn't know that part did you? They did show a glimpse of that, but it was such a small glimpse so like I don't even know why they included it, because that doesn't even play a role I didn't never play I don't even remember like I thought I was like, really paying attention to this movie.
Speaker 2:I don't remember nothing to do with fertility crazy. Back to the movie. So, and this is like an australian movie, right, yes, okay and the actress who also plays in succession.
Speaker 3:She plays shiv in succession. She's really australian, okay, so this was nice because it was like her natural habitat exactly exactly, and director dana reed.
Speaker 2:So I really like when they have women directors, it's just go women. Yeah, a little quick anecdote. You know that song fly robin, fly up up to the sky. Yeah, when they first wrote that song it was supposed to say run, rabbit, run, oh my god. Yeah, and this is just like a little fun fact that has nothing to do with the movie. You know that mtv show, um, I love the night. Like you know, they would say I love the 90s, I love the 80s, 70s. Well, they had a I think I love the 70s and when they talked about that song, rupaul came out there and said did you, you know? And she's like the one that said about the run, run, run. And I'm like wait, what I don't know why that stuck in my head.
Speaker 3:There's also another reference for a run, run, run, go. What is it? A Pink Floyd song? For those of you who don't know, I'm a huge Pink Floyd fan and it goes run, rabbit, run, dig that hole, forget the sun, oh yeah, awesome, that's even a better one.
Speaker 2:Okay, all right. So basically, this movie starts off with a single mom, sarah. She has a cute little daughter, mia, and she calls her Bunny. Yes, you know they used to call Jessica Bunny too. They sure did so, yeah, and I think it starts off like on her birthday, right. The first impression I got is that she had a really loving relationship with her daughter.
Speaker 3:Like they were like got along really good, she was a good little girl, like she was really like oh yeah, whatever mom says and you know she was really into her daughter like came off like that, you know, and it starts with her greeting her daughter for her birthday with a present in her hand and like that I thought like kind of goes with what you said, because like when I see my niece for her birthday, I always take like video of her just waking up so I have like 10 years of video of her just waking up. So that's what kind of reminded me of that? Because it you know the filmmaker kind of filmed in on her as her daughter is just waking up and she sees her and she has a present in her hand.
Speaker 3:So, yeah, I definitely felt like that. Oh my god, you definitely have to make a montage. I know makeup oh my god.
Speaker 2:So yeah, the director caught that, and I also like the fact that, like when she tries to wake her up, she acts asleep she does a little snoring.
Speaker 2:And then she's like I got when she mentions the pancakes. Oh, I guess I have to be by myself. I treat you. It's like the kids always like give in, oh wait, oh, I'll give you a treat. Oh, I was just kidding, here I am. That's such a kid thing, okay, so anyways. So it starts off really positive, but then it seems like on that birthday I don't know if I guess it's significant because it's her seventh yes, yes. So it seems like that day.
Speaker 2:So that's really the kickoff to our story, really yeah, like it takes a turn, but it takes a while for us viewers to know that.
Speaker 2:To put that together, yeah yeah, because at first we get an impression of them and it's really loving and nice and sweet, but then by the time that day is done, it's like it already has a different feel, right? Yeah, and I think even the mom starts like noticing, like she's kind of like wait, what? Like? What's going on? Like my daughter's acting kind of awkward and weird and whatever right she has a deceased grandfather I don't know how recent that is in her life the obituary.
Speaker 3:I think I don't know when this came out. I think the obituary read 2020, because that's kind of one of the first things that they honed in on. She was making the pancakes for her daughter's birthday and she kind of was like lost into space and it showed his obituary that was hanging on there still on the refrigerator, yeah, and that's where we found out, like you know, that he was husband to joan, father to alice and sarah and grandfather to me.
Speaker 2:I knew, and actually it was 2020 okay one thing that I noticed right away is that dad came over with a new wife. Yes, like it seemed like they were all chilling, yeah, but then there was also like awkward little moments. Right, like you could tell that Pete, which is Sarah's ex, he mentions things to Sarah that Denise has a kind of like issue with her mentioning and vice versa. Like he told Sarah oh, I told Denise about this. She's like well, why would you tell her that? Like she, obviously they have like a weird thing that they don't like him talking about both of them to each other, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3:And then I thought it was really interesting. There was this part of the conversation. She's like, oh, I thought we agreed on that. He's like, uh, you agreed, and it that was talking about his relationship with his new wife, and I was like that's interesting, like what did his ex agree with him because he said oh, I thought we agreed that mia would be an only child to.
Speaker 2:To me it like, translated as like well, that was when we were together, but I'm in a new relationship now.
Speaker 3:Oh, that would make sense.
Speaker 2:I mean that's how I took it, but at the same time she had like a weird face like wait what, like you know, because obviously any kid that you know he has is going to be her sibling, no matter what.
Speaker 3:And maybe he is's not a divide. You know, sarah knows is like no, doesn't be her sibling anyways. One thing I would like to add to that where the first time where I was like oh, that's something that we're gonna have to remember is when she's dropping off her daughter for school. She gets a call and it's from the age care facility and then it shows her like oh, just putting it back in her pocket, like disregarding it. So that's when I was like hmm, a clue, a clue yeah, like who.
Speaker 2:Why doesn't she want to answer?
Speaker 1:this yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2:And the daughter asks who is that? And she did. She's like, oh, nobody, yeah, because she does it at home too, she does I don't know what order.
Speaker 2:She does do it at home too, but the daughter's aware someone's calling and which normally kids like don't really care parents phone calls but it kind of already starts like okay, she wants to ask a question for whatever reason. Then we find out later why. So. Like later, when they make it back home she gets the mail and then she hides one of the letters in her pocket but the little girl's like really aware and in tune and she's like what is that? What did you say? Oh, nothing, no, but who is that from?
Speaker 3:it's also a letter that's like pink yeah pink envelope and normally adults like us we don't get pink envelopes in the mail.
Speaker 2:No.
Speaker 3:On our daughter's birthday.
Speaker 2:Right, yeah, so she probably knows. And she's like, who is that from? Like oh no, it's, I don't know.
Speaker 3:There's also one thing too that was huge that we need to rewind. Sorry, but also on the obituary. And then she's saying is Joan coming? The mother looks like kind of taken aback and she's like I miss her. And then she's like that's funny, because usually you don't miss people who you've never met, and her response was like I miss people I've never met all the time. And then we like get to the home and to the piece of mail.
Speaker 2:But that was like because the mom was like I think her response was like why would you like assume that she will be there, or why? Why do you think that she might be like something like that, right, but she wouldn't?
Speaker 2:you've never met her, so that's already a thing. And then, like then we kind of see, because the card that she takes out during the party or yeah, you know, while everybody was inside, so she goes outside to smoke a cigarette and she burns it with her cigarette, right, and she like puts it aflame and it says happy birthday, yes, and granddaughter. She says to granddaughter. So like we know okay now we know who.
Speaker 2:That is right, yeah. So it's kind of odd, like at first. I'm like yeah, what, like? What's going on there? What's going on?
Speaker 2:there's a drama, some family drama got some pain behind those eyes. From then I think it just gets awkward because the rest of the night, like I think like the little boy that comes with like denise's son like hits the little girl and then she gets upset, but then they get upset at her for getting upset. It's kind of weird. Like okay, well, I'm gonna get mad, you're hitting my kid, but you're not saying nothing. So it's kind of like a whole weird.
Speaker 3:Like dynamic right there it really was and I think like that scene really enhanced that dynamic. Uh-huh, because the father was like like, you know what to do and and then at the end he's like he is a little shit and in my head I was like he is a little shit. I know people I know, like I don't know where.
Speaker 2:And then the mom gets off her own man like why, are you yelling at him?
Speaker 1:it's like dude, yeah that's funny.
Speaker 2:I mean, yeah, that's funny. So next day we start noticing like she goes to school and then like she starts acting funny. Right, she starts like almost like not regarding authority anymore, like she wants to just kind of do her own thing, and the expression that the mom has when she doesn't want to hug her and acts kind of funny. You could tell that's not normal, like by her expression. Right, yeah, she kind of like, but she lets it be like she doesn't correct it or ask questions. She's kind of like oh, let's go, right, yeah.
Speaker 3:She comes back from school and then all of a sudden there's a rabbit that's on their doorstep, okay, and she's like look, mom, someone left it for me. And clearly she was like no, this is obviously a pet that has gone astray. You know, let's figure it out, but the momlets are taken in anyways.
Speaker 2:Okay, so let's say this I think this is like a very ambiguous type of idea. Do you think that rabbit brought a spirit, or do you think this rabbit is just representative of something?
Speaker 3:So, at this point. I know the rabbit's important, but after I've seen the movie I'm like kind of having a hard time deciding what the importance was of the rabbit, because it didn't really serve a purpose.
Speaker 2:Not to mention the fact that he appears in other places where they didn't bring him. Yeah, is this rabbit like not real?
Speaker 3:And then also knowing what we know, at the end?
Speaker 1:We don't know it yet.
Speaker 3:but when we find out, ultimately it was her own psychological that's what I'm saying, yeah. So are you asking like was it a real thing?
Speaker 2:Manifest it. Is she imagining it or is it actually physically there and it's like teleporting? Yeah, that's so weird, I don't know. Yeah.
Speaker 3:At the end, I was like wait, how does the rabbit tie into this, though? Because there was nothing that was like oh, the rabbit was the one that I don't know that was causing everything to unfold it didn't really play a role. Yeah, we don't understand the symbolism behind the rabbit. It never told us, or maybe it did, but I don't think I saw it.
Speaker 2:I'm telling you, I mean, there are a lot of aspects of this movie that kind of leave it up to perception. Yeah, you know, like it's up to you how you want to take it basically. So it's up for interpretation for real. But remember, we're not scared of spoilers. Yes, we're gonna spoil it, I have to remind people. I'm like, yeah, we're gonna spoil this. If you haven't watched it, we're gonna tell you right now. Yes, we think the white rabbit's a spirit. That's just kidding, we don't know.
Speaker 3:It might be who knows, I do know this. It does protect a little girl and we start to learn that in that day, when the rabbit shows up because she tries to get rid of it, the mom tries to get, but it wasn't that day that she tried to get rid of it. It was like days later. Okay, well, when she does try to get rid of it, the rabbit bites her and and then she pulls her, her hand back, and when she looks behind her, the little girl you see the little girl, the silhouette of the little girl, just watching her.
Speaker 3:Yeah, it gave me damien vibes, like the omen vibes, and there was another scene where it gives me all my vibes, but wait till we get there, okay, but I start to feel like these omen damien, like the black lab, how we with it. Yeah, there's some more of those coming up.
Speaker 2:So then I think, is that when she makes her little mask yes, okay. So I also feel like the mask represents like maybe when she starts actually coming out of her normal character, so like she's wearing it, the mom like because she acts weird or says weird things, yeah, she's like take that off, you know. And she tells her to take it out. She doesn't want to take it off, but it makes me think is she using this or is this just the movie representing that she's being influenced by something else? At that time, you know, because that's when she started saying I'm not mia, yes, you know, she started like saying certain things, you know. And when she, when she started saying I'm not mia, yes, she started like saying certain things, you know. And when she has that mask, she starts like asking incessantly about her grandmother?
Speaker 3:yeah, right, we do notice that her attitude shifts towards her mom. Yes, once that rabbit comes yeah, the rabbit that we see, and also that's when she starts putting the mask on so we do notice a shift in attitude towards her mom, which is eat later. Yeah.
Speaker 2:And it really stands out, and it always stands out to me. The mom notices, but she doesn't. It's like she keeps pushing it aside Like oh well.
Speaker 1:Like she just accepts it. It's kind of funny.
Speaker 2:Like I don't think that I would do that.
Speaker 1:Australians are much different.
Speaker 2:Australians be acting different.
Speaker 3:I know acting different. I know she didn't have a mexican mom. The next thing is when we get the call from the care nursing home and that's when we can hear him talk to her, and he's talking about your mom's condition.
Speaker 3:So now we know all the calls that she was like yes, yes so then he starts talking about yeah, you didn't want to come in, but you know we think it's a good time for you to come in and then. So that kind of opens the window to to that story now, yeah, there's a lot of layers in this.
Speaker 2:I think that's one of the times also that the little daughter appears out of nowhere, like looking at her, because she's like asking her for pictures. Right, yes, she tells her no also the little girl, remember to.
Speaker 3:This is which I thought was an important part. She couldn't find her little girl girl and remember she found her in that.
Speaker 2:I don't know if you'd call it a tunnel, yeah, and then she was like with the bunny mask on and she was like she was shaking and scared and it looked like she peed right.
Speaker 3:Yeah, yeah, because it was definitely wet under her.
Speaker 2:That's the only time that I felt like it was almost insinuating a possession because she was frightened by something and then, as we know in other movies in the past, it causes people to pee. It does that. This is me just basing it on other movies.
Speaker 3:Also, when you sneeze unexpectedly. Yeah, that comes with time, it's not pretty over 30.
Speaker 2:Yeah, but when you're a kid, no, but yeah. So that gave me the impression also like okay, she's not well, Something's wrong with her. She's already acting like out of character and then, when she starts with that, personality change and stuff like that's the impression I got. They're subtle. This movie's like. It gives you subtle hints and you have to just like get it.
Speaker 3:And then I know that night mom was talking to her in the bathtub and she was like I'm just really sad. And the mom's like why are you sad? She's like because I miss mommy. And that was really like what's going on?
Speaker 2:she's like, but I'm here yeah, yeah that's why she puts it to go to sleep. But see, that's the thing, like the time, whenever I'm going back to that same picture thing. I just remember that when she told her she didn't have a picture, and then she goes to the garage thinking her daughter went to sleep.
Speaker 3:Yes, so that's the next thing, that's the next thing yeah, okay, but but before that there's also one more saying it again. This is the, the omen vibes I was talking about, okay, where it just shows them sitting at a table and it shows the mom's like feet and it shows her feet.
Speaker 3:You know nothing really going on, except for that at her feet is the rabbit sitting yeah, and I was like oh, that's like this rabbit is almost like the protector, or yeah, or like it's really interesting how they keep focusing in or or not. If it'll make sense later, but I thought it was worth noting. And then she, that's when she said she's like I need pictures for my because she wanted to draw.
Speaker 2:She's like, oh, just draw them. And she goes, no, but I need pictures. Yeah. So then, um, the mom shuts her down, no pictures, blah, blah, blah. Thinks. She puts her to sleep, but then she goes to the garage to look at, because she told her no, tomorrow we're not doing that now, this and this and that, but her for herself. I think she went to go check and she saw a box that had dad's miscellaneous crap.
Speaker 2:You know, whatever she opens, it Sees his wallet and, yes, there is a photo in there of her and that's when we first see the picture of another little girl that existed. So it tells us obviously there's another. Who is this person? You know? She takes it out and, lo and behold, all of a sudden it gets snatched from her hand.
Speaker 3:Which was kind of like a jump scare from us.
Speaker 2:Yeah, like what, the one jump scare, and then she wanted to keep it because she kept saying it was her. It's me, yes.
Speaker 1:That's what she kept saying it's not yours, it is, it's mine.
Speaker 2:So that and I'm thinking why does mom not catch on to this? How come she's acting like it's a normal thing? Because it's not. That was the beginning of her saying it's not me, it's me, it's me, it's me.
Speaker 3:The next thing is they take a drive and we find out that they're going to the facility Not because she wants Mia to see Joan but she has to go over all of this stuff because there's some more needs that are needed for her mother um and and it's really interesting because, as they arrive at the facility, mia all of a sudden has a bloody nose- but before they arrive there was another little mini jump scare that scared me.
Speaker 1:Oh, she hits a bird, that's right I totally forgot.
Speaker 2:You made me jump. Like what the hell am I jumping over a bird? Because I actually jumped, I don't know what the hell that represented I don't know why that happened.
Speaker 3:Yeah, yeah and because it disappeared and then they go out, and then she goes to try to find it and the daughter's like why? And she's like well, because it might be her and they never find the bird, yeah, she goes.
Speaker 2:What are you gonna kill it if it's her? And then she kind of like looks at her like that comes into play later. Oh my gosh, I never put that scene in there right now that I said it. Okay, we just thought. I said we just we'll come back to that. Yeah, we'll come back to that, because we both just made a realization.
Speaker 3:All right, cool, now I know what that's about I'm like, I don't know why that happened, though it was like that foreshadowing, oh. And then after the bird, though, mia did get a bloody nose, and that plays a big factor into it yes, because this is the first of a few, right, yes, so she gets to the facility.
Speaker 2:She's kind of annoyed because the person that she's meeting with is explaining to her well, this, you know, this is the reason we called you in. And she's like don't you have my email? This could have been in the video. Why do I have to come in here? And he's like no, you don't understand. Blah, blah, you know, but she's already very like you could tell that she just does not want to be there. She finally agrees to see joan and she she does tell uh, mia, okay, you're gonna meet your. So she knows that she's meeting her grandmother. We think she thinks that. And then the grandmother, joan, doesn't recognize Sarah at all. She doesn't even acknowledge her. But she's like so happy and excited to see Mia and she thinks she's Alice. It becomes like weird and the mom's like trying to tear them apart.
Speaker 3:But she's like oh, my God, where have you been and Mia's telling her, telling Joan her grandmother, she was like I'm here now. Don't be sad.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and we're watching this weird exchange and we're like what she's calling her Alice, and then the mom's like what the hell.
Speaker 1:So she goes, okay, that's enough, that's enough.
Speaker 2:And then she's trying to take her away.
Speaker 3:But then people start holding on each other, all like crazy and making a big old scene and even the intern has to come in and try to tear them away so that was kind of like like what is going on?
Speaker 2:traumatizing, yeah, because it's like everybody's like turning on, like what's going on, because she doesn't want to let her go, and then she's like no, I want to be with her and he keeps on.
Speaker 3:This is your granddaughter. This is not alice, this is mia. This is mia yeah.
Speaker 2:So that's all weird and I don't know why the mom's not asking more questions, like she's just accepting, right. She takes her back to the car and then there's like another bad tantrum. She's kicking and fighting. She does not want her to close the door, she's like we're leaving the facility.
Speaker 2:I don't want to be with joan, I don't want to go, I want to be here with joan, whatever. So she's like kind of like no, we have to leave, we have to leave. And she finally tries to push her in and she slams the door and smashes her mom, smashes her hand because she's's the door, because she finally gets like.
Speaker 1:Most of her body moves.
Speaker 3:Yeah. And so she just tried to close the door, and when she does it she smashes Nina's hand, she's all ah. And then my ass was like so she right, bullshit, listen to your mom. I know what did you get, can?
Speaker 2:you hear her hands in there. You're listening at home. You listen to definitely really spiking her mom too. Yeah, she was like being really irrational. Okay, so it's totally an exit. But Sarah's like, oh my god. So she gets all like you know, she feels bad. So she she talks to Pete and like she calls him that night and she's like, oh, I guess, tells him what happened or whatever. But then Pete thinks she's like tripping and he's like, no, you should let Maya have a relationship with her grandma.
Speaker 3:Yeah, and then the teacher calls her, and she calls her in for a conference. The teacher is like you know, how is she handling her grandfather's death? And she's like she's fine. And then she's like you know, we've just been noticing some, some behaviors here at school. And there's something else.
Speaker 3:And then so she shows her a picture I think it was like the family tree which was had to make what she originally needed those pictures for and she's like, oh, this is like her project, yeah, but look on the back. So they flip it over and there's like this drawing that's just done in black, black, black, black, black scribbling. And then it has two people like two people, like two little girls in it, and the girls are outlined in red but everything else is black. She was like like, yeah, this is what she's been doing, and this is not the only one we found. And you know, she kindly suggests have you thought about maybe having her see a therapist at this point? And so that's when the mom's like uh-oh, like some, some shit's going down yeah, like it's not just a home thing now.
Speaker 2:She's like, but she's still like professional, like, what like, what like girl? Why ain't y'all surprised, like you haven't noticed? Anything wrong with your daughter and so she picks her up right and then, when they're on the way home, doesn't mia ask sarah like, oh, can people come back?
Speaker 1:yes, from where they go after they die yes, and and then really morbid stuff that she starts asking.
Speaker 3:And then um, and she's like I think the mom says like no, and then she's like grandpa said he'd come back as a pelican, yeah, to keep eye on you. She's like, but that's our little secret. And then the mom was just kind of looking like, okay, odd.
Speaker 2:So at that point do you feel like who was talking there? I think it felt like Mia at that time, Like it was actually Mia.
Speaker 3:I think it was because it wasn't like. It was like the way how she looked when she said it. It was really thoughtful. But then it was really interesting because as soon as they said that, they focus on a bird in the sky, but it's not like a pelican. When you think of a pelican you think of like you, like birth, like someone that brings a baby, you know, like baby life, like right, oh no, that's the story. But still, when you think of a pelican, you don't get scared right, you're like.
Speaker 2:You know what I thought of. I thought of scarface. Hold on, I thought of scarface when he goes fly pelican, but he's looking at like flamingos and I'm like that's not a pelican either. Nobody knows what a pelican looks like Sorry. Well, I'm sure it looks really cute.
Speaker 3:Okay, yeah, based on that cute possible perception of a pelican, I know One thing that was really interesting is they focused on the bird to the sky but it was a hawk. Yeah, she said again a hawk, and a hawk is like really more like you know, it's like they pray on. Yeah, it's a predator and it's like it waits to you know, it's like preys on you know things and maybe even waits till things are dying, you know, and so I thought that was really interesting.
Speaker 2:I was like yeah, no one knows what a pelican is Okay Either way.
Speaker 3:It's opposite of a pelican, Okay.
Speaker 2:Either way, this is not accurate.
Speaker 3:Okay.
Speaker 2:So I think she was kind of like taking heed of Pete's little advice or suggestion. So he could cause. He told her you should go take her to visit and see the house. That way you could just get her with put a lid on it. That's what he said, right? So she goes, and then things get worse.
Speaker 3:Right, this is where the story takes another, another turn.
Speaker 2:So they go to visit the now empty childhood house and while I don't know, sarah just like leaves her in the car like a weirdo and she starts walking around.
Speaker 3:I know, but the little girl I mean she comes out, goes right to the house and she finds the you know little hide-a-key or whatever Goes in.
Speaker 2:But then Sarah's over there focusing on like what is? That.
Speaker 3:Is that like a lake or a?
Speaker 2:swamp or what is that Like a swamp? It's like a cliff to a lake. Is it a lake?
Speaker 3:It's a lake. I think it's a lake.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, very still water, Okay. So she's looking across right and she sees a little girl. Remember that part? Yes, so who the hell is the little girl? Yes, At this point we're like who's that?
Speaker 3:She's looking at somebody that's across, because nobody has been on these premises since her father died.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and they're like no neighbor status. So anyway, she's looking. But then she sees that Mia goes in the house, so she goes in after her, right? So Mia goes in the house and she finds a room saying that she's gonna sleep there, and that's her room immediately.
Speaker 3:She went straight to it too.
Speaker 2:She didn't, she just went right to it yeah, it's like as if she was there before and then Sarah was like no, we have to, I don't want you in there, and and this and that. So she starts fighting her right away. But then it gets to the point that every time she wants to do something she ends up dragging her out. She just dragged her away from her grandma, she drags her out of this room. It's kind of like me, I would have just let her be in there. I mean, I don't think in my head I would have thought I don't want her in here because of this doesn't know whose room is it. She probably just likes it, like let her just kick it, you know. But she makes it such a weird thing. And then it made it even weirder, or more escalated, when the little girl was like no, I want to be in here, like so adamant about staying there right when they're hanging out with each other.
Speaker 3:That's when she kind of tells her a little bit about alice and that's when we find out alice is seven years old as well because mia starts asking her questions on why she moved away with grandpa.
Speaker 2:Yes, and at first I don't want to tell her. And she tells her.
Speaker 3:like you know, she's like did she like animals? Did she like to play hide and seek, which I thought was really interesting?
Speaker 2:But see in that conversation when she tells her she was seven years old. Oh, it's me.
Speaker 3:That's, it's me, that's what she starts saying. So after we as viewers, we're like, oh, we get a little glimpse of like who alice was, we start to learn about her, and then there goes mia again acting all crazy like I'm alice.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I'm alice because she tells her like that we're missing at seven and she's like I'm back, I'm your sister, I'm seven. But then, like right before that, like she was already suspecting like it was pete or denise, because she left to he. She left like a voicemail on yes phone or something right, like what have you been telling her? Did you talk about alice? Uh, yeah, because now she's asking about her. Yeah, but in my head I'm like she hasn't even seen them, I mean, unless more time passed. But I'm like why is she? Yeah, so when she starts saying that, like you know, she gets upset. Mia starts getting another nosebleed and then the rabbit makes a reappearance.
Speaker 3:Yeah, and, and I'm like how is that rabbit?
Speaker 2:going to be there in this house. Did they bring him?
Speaker 3:I don't remember them bringing him. They must have brought the rabbit?
Speaker 2:No, you think, because you know how they show her in the cart. I don't remember her carrying around the rabbit and even when she ran in the house. I was like, when did they bring him in? That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 3:Like no, they did bring the rabbit. I was like why would they bring the rabbit, that car seat with the bunny he was in the car. Weird, yeah, it was actually. He was in the car with them and I was like why would they do that? Oh, okay, okay, okay, but still.
Speaker 2:So she wanted to just bring him. Then I guess that's so weird, that's still weird. It was her familiar, she made an attachment, see Joan. And then this time it was different, because she did recognize Sarah and she did recognize Mia as Mia. Yeah, she's like oh, this is Mia.
Speaker 2:Thank you so much for bringing her to me yeah, it was a much more calm visit yes, well, kind of, because then Mia starts freaking out on Joan, saying that she's Alice and all this stuff. So, like it started off more calm. But then this time Mia's like, oh, you don't miss me or you don't remember me. Now she's like's like, yeah, I'm Alice, yeah, it just gets all weird and stuff. And then when Sarah tries to take her away, sarah slaps her and runs out. Do you remember? Oh, that's right. She like literally went pow. I'm like whoa, she slapped her mom and ran down. Damn, everybody witnessed it. And then, like they left. So Joan was like, wow, like what a fucking visit. No wonder she didn't even go see me. It was just crazy.
Speaker 1:So, sarah, so then, after that, I don't know Like that's the thing we never get to see.
Speaker 2:If she addresses the fact that she's acting up, you know, yeah, because right after that the scene changes and you see Sarah taking her to like the memorial. Yes, so they have like a little mini stone tower and has a plaque on it and it says the date that alice went missing. And then sarah tells her about alice, how she looked, that they were opposites, they fought a lot because they were sisters. She's like oh, yeah, she likes animals and games. And then once she mentioned hide and seek, yes, mia's like no, she doesn't like hide and seek and she's like saying no you don't look for me, you make me hide, hide.
Speaker 2:But she's saying her like, yeah, you make me hide and hide and hide, and you never look for me, yeah and the mom's just again like what the fuck? So that's the thing. Like, after all these clues, the mom is still like in denial or what. Like she doesn't realize that her daughter's acting like an actual.
Speaker 3:Alice like everything that she says you know. And not only Alice Like everything that she says you know. And not only that it's things that Mia wouldn't even know. That is true, right, that only she knows. That is the truth. We don't know that part yet.
Speaker 2:But Sarah calls Pete that night and tells him like hey, you know, this is the way she's acting. And she's acting like Alice, and while she's leaving the message, or like right after she's sitting in, that part's kind of scary. She's behind her. She's like guess who, and she covers her eyes. Right when she takes her eyes off, she's in front of her. So that was really weird, that was creepy. Not that I want to jump ahead, but it makes me think. Did it seem to you that sarah had repressed a lot of that?
Speaker 3:because it seemed almost like 100. That's why I think there was that correlation of her sister being seven and her daughter turning seven and with maybe the death of her dad and her and the rabbit and her revisiting that place. Yeah, just brought everything out. Yeah, because also I don't know if this comes later either.
Speaker 2:Later on we find out in the home that they are currently visiting there's pictures and pictures of her and her sister and her and the family and later on they're all smashed yeah, well, first, before they were smashed, didn't she put them all away and she took them all and she yeah, she put them like in a box and like the next day they're all back up after sarah starts talking about the whole like hiding all day and being not found or whatever, sarah notices that on one of the pictures that were up, her face was scribbled. Her face was scribbled out, yeah. So she was like, oh shit, like when did that happen?
Speaker 3:I got a quick side story. Yes, go speaking of faces scribbled out. So when I was in preschool I had this little portrait and it was. They had lined all of us like sitting um on a on stone staircase and I brought my little, my little stuffy, and I remember, like I would always show this, my preschool picture, you know, and at five and at six, and I started remembering Miss Mary, she was so mean to me and I don't know why the teacher, the main teacher.
Speaker 2:Yeah, her name was.
Speaker 3:Miss Mary. And then I took it upon myself to take a pen and I scribbled Miss Mary's face out and I didn't think anything of it until my mom. Later on she was like oh yeah, what? Happened here what happened to your picture? I was like I don't know she's like did you, did you scribble miss mary's face? So I said, yeah, is that? I didn't know there was that was a wrong thing to do, but I just like I, like, I remember my picture exactly and then that told her remind me.
Speaker 3:I was like, oh, someone did not like her, she planned some miss mary vibes oh my god, when it did it, but then upon like five or six is when it came out like oh, I don't know what happened oh my god.
Speaker 2:Well, I have another one like that, but mine's worse because I was older, so like. So I have my yearbook right and you know how sometimes you go through it and like your friends or whoever oh, I hated that guy. You're like yeah, fuck that guy, you just like crossed him out or this girl was a hoe, you know, whatever.
Speaker 2:What's up, righty, tell me, I don't know. At some point later in life, like one of these people that was crossed out, you come across them and you're like a grown up, an adult or whatever. You forget about stuff like that, right, yeah. And then they see you and they're like do you have your yearbook? Like can I see it? Because I lost mine. I want to see whatever. And then you're like, oh, yeah, yeah. And you're like looking for it, thank line that I found, like someone was asking me, and I go, you know what, I'll screenshot. I don't know what I said, right, I'm looking, and I found this person, though, and I'm like, oh, my god, and this is something like ho, like I don't know. That person was crossed out and there was like names under it. I'm like, oh, I'm like oh, so I had to like lie and say like, oh, no, I don't have it. Like I can't find it right now. I'm like, oh, my god, like I can't even like damn.
Speaker 3:I can't remember when he was a hoe yeah.
Speaker 2:So it makes me think like damn, like there's certain people have to go through this like who could never see this, because then they're gonna be like why did you cross me out of my hole? I'll be like it wasn't me with my friend, that is so funny yeah, so see, but that's even worse because you're already like a grown like you should know better. Right, well, right, well, you should know better.
Speaker 3:We're still in high school. What did they call it in that book? Immature, we're immature.
Speaker 2:Remember that movie, burn book, the movie from Mean Girls. No.
Speaker 1:Yeah, mean Girls yeah yeah.
Speaker 2:That one. That's worse.
Speaker 3:Oh, thank God it wasn't that bad comes up, first of all she leaves her daughter by herself, like you know. That's kind of weird. And then obviously she comes home and mia's gone. She's missing. So she's like mia mia, so we run along with her.
Speaker 3:She looks into all these places weird I have to tell you at this point something really stuck out to me and nothing has really stuck out to me like this before and I've seen so many like different horror movies and thrillers and stuff like that. But did you notice like the music played such a big role in this movie like I swear to god, re-watch it you guys, I'm gonna have to re-watch it now because I don't know, the music was so scary in every scene, every scene had its own music to accommodate it and it just made it scary and I've never noticed that.
Speaker 3:I was like this is some good scary music. It wasn't.
Speaker 2:I'm gonna have to rewatch it to the music you know what? Normally I do notice stuff like that, but I think I was really into like whatever was happening, everything just fit the scene, perfect.
Speaker 2:I don't know who was in charge of that, but kudos to that, because that really stuck out on me and I never like I never make note of those types of things like oh the music was great, like the score was amazing, you know but this one, it was really good, let's see composed and performed by sarah hopkins, cello chi or cello chai, I don't know how to say that sarah hopkins, so at least we have that name. That came up, so we're giving you all the credit. So, yeah, I'm going to, um, definitely re-watch this and I'm gonna pay attention.
Speaker 3:I remember even all the way at the beginning, before shit started going south and before she started like kind of coming into alice, there was a scene and they were sitting out, she was talking to her daughter and it was like windy.
Speaker 2:It was really ominous, yeah, like even that I was like, oh, like that's good, it was really yeah, they had a lot of wind, yeah, throughout, even on her birthday I do remember that it was like really like excessive windiness.
Speaker 2:So I think that night after the guess who thing, that's when she first takes down all the photos, right, she takes all the photos and puts them in a box and she takes them to a barn that's behind them and she hears this is the first time that we see this but she hears whimpering in the dark right in in another. So there was like she went when she put them in the barn. There was whimpering, but they don't really address that like at that time. But that she, that's the first time, because then later we hear it again. She opens or she goes there and then she hears somebody say guess who? But then it cuts.
Speaker 2:We don't see, yes, and then, yeah, like we don't see what happens, like what was the reaction? Like did sarah have a reaction to it? Was she dreaming? Like we did not? Like it just cut to the next scene, yeah, it just stopped. But you hear someone say guess who? So it's kind of weird, like did she get haunted at that moment or what you know. So after that in the morning, that's when Sarah leaves to go talk to Joan and leaves me in the house by herself asleep, so she goes in to tell her that she's selling the house. Joan wants to still live there because alice might come back, and sarah starts freaking out telling her she's never coming back, like you're wasting your life waiting for her or something. Don't snap back saying that she's a nasty little thing and that she should never have trusted, leaving her with. So that's what we're like. What I mean? That's what when you're like holding on to her.
Speaker 3:She was like she shouldn't have trusted, leaving her with you and then sarah storms out.
Speaker 2:So that tells us wait, sarah was in charge of of her little sister so that already is like oh, the plot thickens. Like our fears have been confirmed. So when sarah comes back, all the photos are back on the wall. She can't find mia. She's looking outside for her. Then all of a sudden mia startles her and says found you? You know? Weird, also like scares her before mia says found you.
Speaker 3:She was running around and looking for mia, right and right outside and running and running and then she stumbles. And as she stumbles, she's looking and there's, like this burrow, remember the burrow?
Speaker 2:all those sticks and it went on forever. Yeah, that I was wondering the whole time, like what animal builds that?
Speaker 3:and not only that, I was like because, with all of this stuff going on, with the supernatural, like mia coming, I was like, is this a portal of some sort, like you know?
Speaker 2:and I was like, oh, like maybe the rabbit comes in and out of there or something like yeah, I thought that too, but I'm like that shit is way too big for a rabbit. Rabbit didn't build that shit. Yeah, like what is a beaver?
Speaker 3:but but this is where she's looking into it and she's noticing it goes further and further yeah is when you start hearing, like this, growling. And that's the growling it's like a weird noise breathing and that it's like again, like the, the soundtrack to this, I mean because it was like oh that was really creepy.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that was a really creepy scene. When she's like.
Speaker 3:That's when mia was like ah, you know, but yeah, it was really interesting because, yeah, it was made up of sticks. So what animal does make that?
Speaker 2:up. Yeah, that was like a strange little house. It reminded me of narnia with the beavers. Okay. So sarah tells them, okay, we're leaving, we're gonna pack up everything, but like no, that that was her home. So that's like a whole other little freak out. She had right. But again the mom just kind of lets her be, like, say whatever she wants to say and doesn't address anything. So this time they go to sleep on the same bed.
Speaker 2:But then when Sarah wakes up hearing Mia screaming in the other room which I guess at some point she woke up and went back to alice's room so she thinks she sees her bleeding from her forehead, or like cranium, yes, and she starts like oh my god, what's wrong with you? And she's like trying to look at her head. But mia's kind of like freaked out, like what are you doing? Like trying to like fight her off, like she's really she's always fighting her mom off, like she's like like damn, kind of fighting her mom all the time. So I don't know why she just thinks it's a great idea to go get scissors, like I'm like really you need to cut her hair off to look at her to see what she's bleeding. That was dumb. But anyway, she goes and gets scissors and then somehow, like you already know, the next thing's going to happen. Yeah.
Speaker 3:Because the little girl's like frantically trying to fight off her mom, her mom's like stay still. I just with some scissors pointing at her like a dumbass, literally has scissors at her daughter's head, yeah, trying to cut her hair. With this little girl's flailing, her arms are flailing everywhere, yeah, so obviously obviously she stabbed her in the head.
Speaker 2:Yeah, obviously. I mean it wasn't like a stab stab, but she definitely cuts her like, nicks her on her forehead. Okay, so then the lights go on. Why did she turn on the lights first? Like good dummy again. Okay, she turns it off after.
Speaker 2:Then she sees a nick on her forehead now and like is really, really really bleeding now yeah, and then she realizes that the part that she thought was bleeding isn't so like that whole thing. She imagined it, yeah, and she only like cut her. And then mia's like looking at her, like sarah goes outside and then mia sleeps it's daytime, I don't know like she's still sleeping. She goes um because the barn door is slamming over and over, and it's like banging right and it sounds really loud yes, not normal loud.
Speaker 2:so she goes to see what the hell's going on. Um, you would think it's not scary because it's daytime, but it's so scary, um. So she goes in and here's a scene where she hears crying and whimpering again. Do you remember the second time? Okay, so she slowly unlocks the door. Alice jumps out and this is actually Alice.
Speaker 3:Yes, so the little girl in the picture? Yeah, the little girl? It's the little girl, but it's her sister.
Speaker 2:It's her sister, alice, that literally comes out, okay, and she pushes her to the ground, yeah, and then I think that's basically a recreation of what actually happened in real life to her when she was a child.
Speaker 3:Yes, alice was choking adult.
Speaker 2:Sarah, yes, and it was because she locked her in. Yes, she was really angry, she was choking her. And what does she do?
Speaker 3:she goes and she grabs one of the like traps that they had there, like a metal thing and, I guess, hits her on the head, on the cranium, right where, right where Mia was, where she had saw the blood coming out of Mia, which wasn't really there the night before, like, yeah, where she had the illusion.
Speaker 2:It was exactly there. So she hits her on the head and then she suddenly sees Mia outside the doorway. Sarah's just chasing her and chasing her all the way inside the house, screaming Alice. So at this point she's chasing mia, but she's screaming alice, as if she's alice. She goes in alice's room, she locks the door, all the photos that were on the wall are fallen and broken. Sarah plans her body into the door to open it, but I guess she was unsuccessful and like knocked herself out. So she fell on the floor and then she wakes up, and this is where we see the story unfold.
Speaker 3:What really happened where sarah's a child holding the trap, chasing Alice outside Reverts back to the barn, and now they're both children and that whole scene plays out again.
Speaker 2:And then they keep showing Sarah, and they keep showing her like child, and then they show her as an adult, child and adult. So basically I don't know. So she's like remembering that we know, as a viewer, that she's like reliving this or maybe acting it out again.
Speaker 3:The real story of what happened was she did get locked in the barn. The sister really did get angry. She really did hit her. We are knowing, as a viewer, that this is really what happened.
Speaker 2:So while she's passed out, she's either dreaming or just showing us, the viewer, what actually occurred. Yeah, so then?
Speaker 3:she's running and chasing after her little sister who's running away from her.
Speaker 2:And she's still holding the trap Because she's clearly distraught.
Speaker 3:You know, her big sister just hit her in the head with the trap and she's chasing her. Alice, come back.
Speaker 2:Come back, and the only reason she stopped is because she couldn't run no further, because she was at the edge of a cliff. A little mini cliff, like a ridge or something. So she slowly tries to turn around and face her. Her eye is like bloodshot.
Speaker 2:She has that cut and then she touches her head and that's when she looks at all the blood yeah, she realizes she's hurt and then she screams yeah, and she's like scared, now curling scream, because at first she was just scared, but I think, once the realization is like oh my god, I'm bleeding, like my sister hurt me yeah, so she's scared. So sarah her reaction I mean, we have to put ourselves like in the shoes of a child, like you're just like oh fuck, what did I do?
Speaker 2:I'm gonna get in trouble like she, like I'm chasing her, but right now like she's about to get me in trouble because she's screaming yes, and she's bleeding and I have it in my hand.
Speaker 1:It's a little trap in my hand.
Speaker 2:So was it like an impulse that she suddenly pushes her like super hard and she falls backwards off the cliff, or did she?
Speaker 3:do it on purpose.
Speaker 2:Or did she say you know what F you little sister? Yeah, I ain't getting in trouble, Die, I mean yeah.
Speaker 3:Yeah, like we will never know.
Speaker 2:We know really what happens now, now, and it seems almost like again, like sarah may have just blocked it out, like she maybe had suppressed that memory. Oh yeah, and all of a sudden, while it's happening, it's back in her head you know, I really think so, with with like again.
Speaker 3:Yeah, her daughter being the same age, her father dying and them coming back to the house, that all had to bring and they kind of explained, because you know all the time that we were like, oh yeah, she moved with the dad to the city.
Speaker 2:It never explained why she moved with her dad, but it was probably because her mom, she couldn't handle it. The dad probably was like, right, what do I do? I can't leave her here. You know, whatever he took her away. Maybe he knew, because remember there was a part earlier in the movie they showed like a little clip of him like he's asking sarah, where's your sister? Or where's alice, and like they don't show what she answers. Remember she says like, oh, I told him that she ran away, yeah, or I told him that she was missing so like obviously like did the dad know she did something, or did he just believe her and maybe he thought he'd take her away?
Speaker 2:I mean, who knows, there's a lot of little things that are left for two interpretations right, but I don't like that all the time.
Speaker 3:I don't like that all the time. Sometimes I know, like like that all the time. Sometimes I need to know, like I want to know, I know.
Speaker 2:That's like I hate being inconclusive sometimes. So now we see Sarah. We see her like lying on the floor inside the home, but she's like in a like out of it Transed out yeah. She's like in a daze.
Speaker 3:With a black crayon making, looking at what she's coloring and she's going over and over and over again and now that tells us it's obviously the same type of coloring, the same type of pattern that we had seen in mia's art, that was on the back of her real art, yes, so now we're like holy shit. No, it was sarah who was doing that. So I think that is when we learned that this has been a Sarah thing this whole time. I don't know that Alice really came into Mia. I think Sarah now was really like, because she suppressed it so much, I really think that she was bringing it back up herself.
Speaker 2:Yes, but at the same time, we can't ignore the fact that, when it looks like she was actually saying that she was Alice, like a lot of times, you know, and maybe she did- so maybe it was a combination heard. But what about like her tantrums inside the um, like with the mom, with joan and stuff, like were those things like imagined? No, I feel like that really happened.
Speaker 3:It manifested when she turned seven, so maybe like that was the and I really think the death of her dad, yeah, and I think like maybe that might have been her safe place, and now her safe place is gone, she had to deal with what she did so maybe the guilt brought all that, yeah, yeah yeah, so anyway.
Speaker 2:So like um. So she's not sad of it because pete arrives and he's banging the door right, mia, she's missing. They both search for her because she's not inside the house. They're running outside. Sarah, destroyed, jumps into the lake because she thinks, she thinks that she's in the lake right, so she jumps in there trying to find her well, we see a body we just see a body down there when she's down there.
Speaker 2:But there wasn't really a no, it can't be like it would have been decomposed. Yeah, so it was in her mind, like she sees something down there but then p drags her out. When they come out they see mia in that, that little burrow, the little portal burrow. Don't know if it's a portal, but it could be. For whatever reason, she also found it and was in there. That was like she was trying to be like a safe place for her, like her little safe place.
Speaker 2:Okay, good, they found her. But then next thing, you know, like it just kind of like skips and it see sarah back with joan, like she goes. It is at night and she goes in there looking all like she just came out the lake yeah, she goes the same place.
Speaker 3:She went into the lake with, yeah, she went to see joan within her all day and I was like that's weird yeah, she looked all full of mud, but dry mud, right.
Speaker 2:She looked all raggedy and dirty and um, she goes to the place and then sarah tells joan that alice is dead, but she's like half asleep. So it's like not, she's not really like yeah, but she even out of it. She tells her oh no, no, no, she's not. I don't think that's true. I don't think that's.
Speaker 2:Yeah so it's like okay, well, I got interrupted because a person that worked there came out and told her she can't be there. So Sarah goes home, I guess, finds Mia asleep in Alice's room. This part really pissed me off. I was like out like he didn't even wake up, like a like a real dad, but never okay.
Speaker 3:Yeah, he, he was there when she got up I see his body and I'm like okay, he's asleep right there. He was on to the right then of them, like in a roll away, like okay, caught, so like really heavy sleeper so the weird part is that I don't know if you notice this like you know how she is asleep.
Speaker 2:Okay, she's asleep in alice's room and she falls asleep in there too it was sarah and mia snuggled. She's like hugging her. She has her kind of like almost spooned right, yeah, okay, so then mia leaves, but did you notice how she left? Like she was holding, she was like hugging her, but it looked like she just like slid. She didn't look, oh, like I was thinking how could she slide out? Like how did she maneuver her body to slide? Because she wasn wasn't using her arms and she didn't wake up right away. You mean?
Speaker 3:No, yeah, so it makes me feel like something pulled her, do you remember that part Vaguely but I do remember like her sliding out and like it taking a mom a while to wake up yes, to notice that she's gone.
Speaker 2:Yeah, she didn't wake the whole bed so we don't know anything. It was like from their waist. But I just see her like sliding down like this and I'm like just trying to get out without moving her mom, but I'm like she can't move out like that. Like it almost felt like or looked like someone's litter. But that's the thing about this movie, because they do subtle things that we gotta just figure it out.
Speaker 3:If we get out of bed like we're putting our elbows down, we're like, oh yeah we're like moving our body from one like shifting our weight.
Speaker 2:But she's like like she was like liquid and I'm like that's interesting. The hell, that was weird point, so so that part is notable. Like, okay, who the fuck brought her out or something who slid her out. But, um, before they fell asleep she was like apologizing right to her like, oh, sorry, but you know, in the sleep, in her sleep, when she's like spooning her daughter.
Speaker 3:She apologizes to alice for the bad thing she's done and it's really interesting because rewind where mia was having all these outbursts and stuff you really see sarah like okay, like reaching out to her and holding her and in the next scene they're like coloring together or they're talking together. Now in this scene you could see her hand almost kind of shaking as she's putting it on her daughter and she apologizes and she says Alice, and she says I'm sorry for you, I'm sorry for the bad things I have done. Yes, and then Mia, who at this point is Alice, and she says what did you do? Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And then she says I hurt you. Mia says what else? How did you?
Speaker 3:and she's like I told mama you ran away. Why? Because I didn't want to deal with the truth she's like. And then mia says you're a monster for me. You know we say monster, but you know I say monster, she was a monster, but. And then it just but then doesn't she repeat it, sarah.
Speaker 2:She says I'm a monster.
Speaker 3:Yes, but then it's just like dead ends after that yeah, but it was so weird because it's almost it's like like she had to say it she said it, but in the way how she was consoling as if it really was her sister, as if she really had to meet with her sister right now, who she is right now, to where her sister was, and it's like the hesitancy, like, oh, and even you watch it for the, for the music.
Speaker 2:Look at that part like okay, I can feel that I was like, see, now I gotta watch it painted to the music, I'm sure I mean I'm sure like it affected. You know, I was just like a subconscious you know thing, you know, when you're watching it oh, then now comes like the real shit kicker, go, okay.
Speaker 3:So now we see sarah come to the window and she looks out and she. Now we see two little girls it's mia and it's alice, her daughter and her sister walking hand in hand and they're walking towards the same spot where sarah pushed alice off and sarah's like banging on the window and you could see her shaking her head and we're thinking she's saying no, no, hey, come back, yeah.
Speaker 3:And then all of a sudden, they stop, they look back at her and it was Alice that looks back at her and she gives her like this evil smirk.
Speaker 2:Because first Mia turned and then when Alice turned. Yeah, it was like this evil smirk she smirked, but like I do not, forgive you yeah.
Speaker 3:Type of smile. This is wild. And then so they walk off. Now, that's where the movie ends.
Speaker 2:I know, and you're like, what happened.
Speaker 3:Did Alice really come and take her out of revenge? Like you took me, I'm going to take your daughter. And you know, when little kids do see spirits and stuff, they're friends. They don't see the bad.
Speaker 2:Especially they're the same age, right, so it could have easily had been that and like, and then wasn't the rabbit right there in the doorway again? I don't know, but that damn rabbit is everywhere. I'm like, what does the rabbit mean?
Speaker 3:Yeah, it's supposed to be back in the habit, so yeah, so it was.
Speaker 2:That's where, like In my head I'm like why?
Speaker 3:yeah, like what she did, like if she's trapped you can't get out too. I know, unless you know, it was like a psychological trapment and it's just her. Does she have to live with this forever, like I?
Speaker 2:don't know. Yeah, like was it a dream was it real, you could look at with this um, yeah, that's what I'm saying but definitely ambiguity, was like big time storing the trauma, though yeah, definitely trauma, I mean, and things that gail, like everything that comes along with it. It's crazy Because, as a grown up, like, let's say, you unearth these suppressed memories. How do you deal with them in a grown up way, knowing?
Speaker 1:okay, now I know that I'm a grown up and I know better.
Speaker 2:How did I do that to my sister? There's no coming back from that. That's like you know. It's final. Like I said, like you, like, yeah, let's say you put yourself in the shoes, like I was saying you're old or no? She was older. How old was she, did they say?
Speaker 3:I think she was at least like three or four years older.
Speaker 2:Yeah. So even then you're still a child, like obviously she wasn't thinking ahead, like it was like a impulse thing. So it's kind of like do you think back and you forgive your 10 year old self for something that you wouldn't know, now that you know better, would never do, or do you, can you forgive yourself? Because you feel like how could I still have done it? Who cares how old I was? It reminds me of other movies, but see the other movies I'm thinking about.
Speaker 2:The kids are evil, so like they did shit on purpose. But like things happen and I think, like kids I have seen, like in real life kids do things to other kids, not as drastic, but things that could have been drastic. But then obviously it's because they don't know better. But you know that they're not really bad kids. They're just like acting on impulse because of their immaturity and they don't realize this could have happened. You know, like you kill your brother, you kill your sister. Don't be doing that. You know that kind of stuff, like a kid gets mad and throws somebody down the stairs yeah something weird, you know.
Speaker 3:It takes a chair and throws it across your classroom exactly.
Speaker 2:You never know where it's gonna land. Oh my god, perfect example. So it's like you know what I'm saying. Yeah, like, how, like I don't know. I mean, it's so different than if it would be a grown-up pushing somebody off the cliff, but still, you know your consequences.
Speaker 3:You're an adult, you know. Like you said before, she was scared, she didn't know she was gonna get in trouble, especially if nobody knows about this.
Speaker 2:Yeah, let me get rid of the evidence. So yeah, it's crazy. So at the end we're kind of left like so many questions like yeah, I mean, but there's a lot of interpretation that could be, drawn from it and I like it all.
Speaker 3:I like all the aspects of it. I like I could see where it could be just herself dealing with her inner self. I could see where it could be like a supernatural aspect. Or maybe she was, yeah, trying to get her from the beginning.
Speaker 2:Maybe she was possessing her and getting revenge on her sister I think you said it, that you don't necessarily like too much like up in there, but I think in this movie it was good. I think that it kind of um makes you think I do like movies that make me think, like, make my own, like determinations and like. Okay, this is what I conclude, you know. But at the same time it can be frustrating.
Speaker 3:You want an answer. The last time I felt like this was like Archive 81. I was like what happened?
Speaker 2:Wait what you know, because I just remember like the ending.
Speaker 3:And then the show never got renewed and I never got to learn.
Speaker 2:Yes, you never went out. Go down that rabbit hole, literally run rabbit hole, and it's always crazy how, like you know how there's like other movies where you see like the single mom just struggling with this child. That's like tripping out. Let me see what other mothers do that, like the Babadook and even like Sixth Sense or like the Ring, you know like their kids are like being all weird and like, but it's like a single mom that has to just deal with it?
Speaker 3:yes, also, there's that new one. What is it called um? That's on netflix, um elizabeth, her daughter, who's a single mom, and she has three kids, and they start acting up. Deliverance is what it's called, and, again, single mom oh, yes, I remember this.
Speaker 2:Yeah, single mom, I always feel like, oh, no support, I know what that's like, I'm just kidding, no, but I mean people's kind of there. But he was more like and his whole little like he didn't really in all. Did you like this movie?
Speaker 3:I liked it, I liked it a lot. I liked it a lot, I liked it I.
Speaker 2:The psychological and I am down to watch it again for the soundtrack, because I had seen this when it first came out. So I was like, yeah. Like when you said, oh, run, run, run, I'm like, yeah, let's review that one Because I did like it.
Speaker 3:I don't know where I was when this came out, because I don't even I think, I just saw it on.
Speaker 2:This is great, yeah, so everybody, if you guys want to see it. It's on Netflix currently, so go watch it if you haven't already watched it.
Speaker 3:Run, rabbit, run Any more, to add. I would like to hear everyone else's thoughts. And on what exactly? What do you guys think happened at the end?
Speaker 2:Yeah, because, like we said, it could be. It's open for interpretation. Do you guys think that she was possessed? Do you think it was just a mom going psychosis? Do you guys think that the rabbit was like a magical being that opened up a vortex and what do?
Speaker 3:you think the rabbit symbolized?
Speaker 2:was it a spirit of the girl? Was it just because she called her little rabbit? Was it what? What is it? Yes, was it just because the other sister's name was alex? So many, so many possibilities. Well, thank you, jesse, for being my co-host. Yeah, this was so fun. Thank you for having me. We will have her back again right now. My normal co-host, laura, she's in cancun. Little brad, my normal co-host, laura, she's in Cancun little brat, but thanks for Jesse yeah for sure.
Speaker 2:So thanks, jesse, for filling in. Well, now we're going to go to the segment where we give a scary true story, so stay tuned, okay, everyone. So we're about to start our scary story segment, but before we do, I wanted to welcome back laura. Uh, she was off, living her best life in cancun.
Speaker 1:Welcome back hello everyone, I'm back, so how was your trip? It was amazing. I think we need a whole episode just on vacation, so I could explain everything that I did.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I think that's a good idea, all right. Well, she wasn't here when Jessie gave us her spooky story, but we're about to hear it now. So let's get to it. Now we're going to hear from Jessica, which, of course, helped me review for Run Run Run Run, but now she's going to tell us a story that actually happened to her and, as you know, we have had other people speak on sleep paralysis, so this is in the same realm, so we're going to talk about her experience now. So, jesse, whenever you're ready, go ahead and start telling us.
Speaker 3:Okay. So I have had these things kind of happen to me, but I didn't know how to explain it. And then I started kind of learning more about sleep paralysis and I found out oh my gosh, this sounds like sleep paralysis, but it wasn't until the last episode that I had that really pushed me to find out what was going on, because it was absolutely terrifying, and this was maybe a month and a half ago Okay, so that's recent. I was, you know, obviously, in my bed laying on my back. When this has happened in the past, it always starts by me getting a tingling feeling all the way from my toes all the way to my fingertips, and it's always on the left hand side of my body. And I don't understand why and I was telling Esme prior to this that I thought it might have had something to do with me drinking a lot and then when I stopped drinking, it still happened. So then I was concerned like, oh my gosh, is this a health issue now? So back to the last episode, the most recent episode.
Speaker 3:I was laying down and that normal feeling that I have the tingling started coming in, but then all of a sudden it just like exploded and it just like, like, took me to another level. It all of a sudden it was my whole entire body and my whole entire body was tingling. It was so heavy and it was so hard that I couldn't control anything and I could almost like feel. It felt like my hands were like like gripping onto the air and I got so frightened that I literally thought I was going to die. And I really thought like this, this is happening, this is how I die, and I got so terribly frightened.
Speaker 3:But I just got to a point where I don't want to be that scared. I didn't like this feeling and if it's my time, it's my time, so I just let go and any type of fighting that I was doing, I just finally let it go. And I just was like, okay, this is how I go. And in that moment I felt somebody touch my hand and like not grabbing it, not pulling it, but more caressing up and down my hand. And then, just by the touch, I knew right away that it was my mom and I knew it was her. And all of a sudden that fear was kind of met with like so me thinking I'm dying. I wasn't sure if that was her like leading me.
Speaker 2:I'm not trying to interrupt you, but tell our listeners about your mom.
Speaker 3:So the reason why this sticks out is because my mother has passed away. It'll be five years coming up in this February, february 28th, and she has come down and definitely shown me signs that she is still around. That's what I found really intriguing about this last episode is because, on a situation where I really thought I was going to die, it was met with my mom. Now, again, I wasn't sure if it was her helping me cross over. Was she really trying to warn me about something? Maybe I really do have a health issue or was she really just happened to be coming across and seeing I was in really bad distress Because, like I said, like when you think you're going to die, like it's a, it's a feeling that is unexplainable, like like the hope and the fear that just gets crushed and lost.
Speaker 3:And then, so I don't know if it was just her really calming me down, but she was just caressing my hand and just telling me it's okay, it's okay. And then I was like so you heard her voice, I heard her voice and she was saying it's okay, it's okay. And again she was taking, she was rubbing my left arm to like up and down, like for my hands to like where my wrist and I was just so like over. At that point too, I'm overwhelmed now because now there's a mom factor in it and with my mom I feel so much closer to her and her death, even more so than what I felt like in my lifetime with her, which is really an odd thing. But I remember one time I was talking to my sister and I was like can't you feel her love? I can feel her love so hard. Not that I didn't think she loved us or whatever when she was here, but it was just I could feel it so strong like in in her afterlife.
Speaker 2:I feel like, um, you know, when we're here in the present, there's so many other distractions. You know life in general? I mean, she had her love, you had your life and everything, yeah. But see, like now that she's in a different place, it probably just changes the dynamic and it's something that you, that's true and connection with her.
Speaker 3:like you know, the feeling could be altered, especially in your time of need, and that's why I was so stressed out the next day when, when everything was said and done and there's so much more to this story, so I'm gonna go back and tell you. But but the next day I was so stressed out Cause I was like, what did that mean? Was that? What part of it was real, what part of it wasn't? And me not knowing. I was like, oh, did she really come? Did I really feel her? Was it a dream? I don't think so, because it felt like instantaneously. When she touched me, I was like like it was met with calm, like when she's telling me it's gonna be right. I knew it was gonna be all right whether I was gonna be alive or dead, because it was gonna be all right in the afterlife, it's gonna be right in the present life.
Speaker 2:So you didn't get your answer of that. All you knew is that, whatever it was, it was going to be all right. Yes, so.
Speaker 3:But another thing is after I have these episodes, I think I fall back to sleep, or my whole body catches up with each other and we just fall back to bed and it's usually met with a nightmare. Now this nightmare was so crazy and was so intense and again so real, but all of a sudden, the next thing I remember was I wake up from my sleep, paralysis In your dream or real? This is in my dream.
Speaker 3:This is still part of, like some people they call it fever dreams because they're like so crazy and when you get a really really high fever you get really bad nightmares, so they call them fever dreams. So this is my fever dream right after my sleep paralysis and my fever dream. I dreamed that I just woke up from my sleep paralysis. That's how all my fever dreams start, like I wake up from my sleep paralysis, but I'm still now. This is my dream Because, like I say, I always dream right after I have sleep paralysis, so can't move. So I somehow am able to fling my body from my bed to the floor and somehow wiggle not crawl, but wiggle my way to my roommate's room, who is right across the way, and since I can't move, I take my head and I knock my head on his door.
Speaker 3:Oh, my God and his door opens, only to be revealed there's nobody in there. So I'm like fuck because I need help. I can't move. There's nobody in there. So I'm like fuck because I need help, I can't move. And so I squirm my way to the living room, right here, right here to the living room, and my other roommate is downstairs.
Speaker 1:And there's no way I can get downstairs.
Speaker 3:So then I take my head and I knock it on downstairs and hopefully, in hopes that he'll be like what the fuck's going on, are you okay? And he doesn't do it, and so I fling myself down the stairs and I just fall down the stairs. Luckily, at this point I didn't feel the pain. There was no pain, thank goodness your dream job was painful. My adrenaline is so going. We're on survival, on survival mode.
Speaker 3:So I get to my roommate's room downstairs, matt, and then he just happens to open his door and I look at him and I fall right into him and he's like I was like help, help, and I still can't move and somehow he's able to get me to his, to his room, his bed, and and then all of a sudden, like he's kind of like, are you okay? And I was like I need help, I need help, and I couldn't really tell him what was going on and even in this part I just I didn't know what to do and I didn't know what was going on with my body and I didn't know like, am I dead? Is this going on? Like because even that fear of still being gone and you know whether it was real or not like that fear was still kind of that. That was still. You were still present, yeah, in my nightmare, and, holy shit, if that wasn't the craziest shit I've ever experienced, you know. So then, when you woke up, what?
Speaker 3:So then, when I woke up, I woke up in the morning, okay, and I was like what the fuck? It took me forever to get out of bed and to get ready. Usually I wake up, I scroll on my phone, but I was like what the fuck happened last night? Did mom come? Was my mom really here? That was really the main thing on your mind, on my mind, because I was like, and if she was, what was her purpose? Was it to get me through it? Was it to warn me, or was it was I really dying and she just brought me back? I don't know. Like you're not ready, yeah, just push me on the cliff, like like run, run, run oh my god go back.
Speaker 3:I got more to do, no, but so it went from something super startling to something just really emotional and really just trying to work through the components of that the mom component and and the fear component of what happened and was I like, why did it take over my whole body? Why was it so strong?
Speaker 2:I mean, to this day I don't know I've never felt anything like that thing to me, just because I, because I've experienced them, I've never had just partial, yeah, but you've had partial, partial, partial up until this time and it was full blown and it was like full throttle.
Speaker 1:Yes, yes, there was no turning back.
Speaker 2:And every single time, like I mentioned to you, every single time, it's the times that I have slept on my back. Do I still sleep on my back? No, all my life I slept on my back, all my life. But then, when I realized that it would only happen, at that time, I stopped yeah, and to this day I don't no more. Isn't that weird?
Speaker 3:See, my body is so old that I have to sleep on my back. Because I sleep on my right, I'm like okay, switch. And I sleep on my left, I'm like all right, we have no more Now. We have no choice. I can't sleep on my front because the babies are too big. I won't even. Oh my God, so I have to sleep on my back, and that is exactly what happens. It's never happened on any other part of it's always when I sleep on my back.
Speaker 2:And that's not the first time I've heard that Isn't that kind of weird, yeah that is really interesting.
Speaker 3:I want to know what, what it is and what happened and why. And it's so funny because I was telling my coworker cause it was so fresh in my mind. We went walking the next day and I was like, oh God it was house.
Speaker 2:Like I want my mom to leave, like if my mom's still hanging out. Like no, I don't have a manager.
Speaker 3:That was not an option I'm not concerned with anything going on with the home, you know, because it's so I'm gonna say this.
Speaker 2:When was it? In one of our episodes, I was talking to someone and we were discussing how, yeah, there's times, one time, that I was like I woke up, and that wasn't not. That was not a sleep paralysis, and usually I'm a. I sleep through the night for whatever freaking reason woke up because I had this really ugly sensation and not like physical, like I was scared more than I've ever felt like in my whole life. It was like fear of what that's the question mark.
Speaker 2:But I felt scared to the point that I felt like I did not want to open my eyes, afraid to open, and I could hear this weird noise. Not like what I mentioned to you. I always hear a weird noise. Also, with sleep paralysis, this was different. It felt almost like electric, static, some some weird frequency, like a weird noise, but I felt so scared like I felt literally like someone was there. I felt like you know, like, let's say, you're sleeping and someone's standing.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I felt like someone was there, but I was so scared I didn't want to open my eyes or turn around, I feel. I felt like I couldn't move if I wanted to, but I didn't even try it, but I felt like hell. No, if I open my eyes, I'm gonna see something I don't want to see. Yes, and I was scared, like to the point that I was on the verge of shivering scared for fear not cold, of being scared and I'm like and I've never shivered out of fear it lasted like a good while and then at some point it went away and I fell asleep. But the next day I remembered it was fresh in my mind, like that was the one time thing yeah, I didn't really have things happen in my home that I felt like oh, like I'm haunted or something it was never like that, but it was brought to my attention which, yeah, common sense there's spirits everywhere, there's entities everywhere, there's different kinds or whatever so like.
Speaker 2:So I was talking about that with someone and that person was telling me at any given moment there could be one just passing through that decides to feed off of your energy if you happen to be there, and that's what? And I'm like dude, you know, you, you hear things.
Speaker 3:Because when I have had that happen before, the way how I explain it to people, it's like as if something not human was touching me, like you hear, like aliens come down and they probe you and stuff. I was like as if I got probed like, and I've also felt that fear or that something's there and I don't open my eyes because I don't want that thing to know that. I know that it's here and it's just best that it thinks that I'm asleep and I just like, I'm just like, exactly, I'm shaking, but I don't know.
Speaker 3:But you could feel your body, like you could feel your whole body start to change and I felt like my heartbeat, like I was afraid you know it was like your whole rhythm.
Speaker 1:So I mean that's a possibility.
Speaker 2:I do think that sometimes, especially if it's not frequent, like sleep paralysis, I do feel like those things go hand in hand, but like, sometimes people see them, sometimes you don't, but they just like feed off of you, and sometimes some people are more accessible than others. Yeah, I mean, I was very young, I was like between 15 and 19. Like it happened, like here and there there's some people that, oh, I get them all the time. And there's some people that are like, oh, I've gotten it once, but yeah, I just feel like you never know, there's things passing through, you know other dimensional shit that we just that we don't even know about. Yeah, and sometimes they're like, oh, I'm hungry.
Speaker 2:Let me with this where it's always gonna be at dark.
Speaker 3:I know when it's dark at night.
Speaker 2:I think that's what it is, because that's when our bodies are like regenerating and we're like just there, like still, you know yeah that was something I don't want to go like.
Speaker 3:I don't want to believe that that was. I mean, even the struggle just to get somebody to help me was just awful.
Speaker 2:I so helpless doesn't make you feel like let's say one day mean, is that what my plan is? Like I already. I'm going to be using my head like. Spyro, oh my God, you're going to the trial run already, that's what I'm doing.
Speaker 3:I'm going to pull this string with my, with my, with my teeth.
Speaker 2:I think you, you know what, like you know those life alert things, I think those are good investments. Can we just get? Get one now for, like, anybody that might need it on the floor so you could be like, so you could knock your head on it. Oh well, thank you, jesse, for sharing that story with our listeners. Thank you, thank you all right, so that was jessica's story, everyone. So, laura, now that you've heard it, what do you think?
Speaker 1:I think off the bat. The mom factor that she mentions makes it more like. It brings up more emotions in me, because I do wonder now too, like if it was truly her mom, what she says, that she recognizes her touch and her voice. It's like what was the purpose of having her in such a negative experience. Is it the fact how she said that it's like she was there to comfort her, or was she there to, like, cross her over to death? I don't know. I think that throws a whole other twist to the story, because now it's not so menacing, but at the same time it's also sadder. Just because it's her mom, it makes you think like where our loved ones are after and like if they're still with you at all times and how you know. People say that they do stay with you and all that. It just depends on what you believe in. Um, but I think sleep paralysis in general is always a scary story like.
Speaker 2:It's always a scary experience regardless.
Speaker 1:So it's crazy to see that, um, it happened to her and it ended up turning into like um a nightmare. I, I didn't know that. Actually I didn't know that after sleep paralysis, you have like a fever dream.
Speaker 2:Yeah I mean, she says that that's her personal experience. I don't think she's alone in that. I don't know if everyone experiences that necessarily, because some people, as you know, have sleep paralysis and they see things during, like while they're having it they actually see a shadow or see some kind of scary entity or like a evil looking this or that you know. So some people actually see it during. But there are people, as herself, that have had some kind of dreams and she says that the times that she's had it, she's always had a dream. So that's that's. That's interesting, you know, and it's probably like how she said that the fear stays with her. So maybe feeling that fear, you know it stays with you in sleep. So you go to sleep and then you have nightmares.
Speaker 2:She says that it's always still including sleep paralysis, like the dream like brings the sleep paralysis experience into it too, because she couldn't move in her dream either and you know it was kind of funny, though her dream was funny because she, you know she was trying to find a way to get help and she was wiggling and throwing herself down the down the stairs. So that's a whole other thing. But I mean, sleep paralysis on its own leaves people with questions like what, what was that? Was I dreaming, was it real? Because a lot of people kind of like when they wake up in the daytime, like after this happened, and say it happened at night, they start questioning was that a dream? Maybe I was just dreaming, maybe this, maybe that, or they want it to be a dream because they get scared, but in this case, a whole other.
Speaker 1:She's trying to find out the riddle Like About the riddle Like the yeah, like Like why did? Why was her mom there?
Speaker 2:Right, like who cares about the sleep paralysis now, like now she wants to know about, like Maybe she have a health problem and why she felt her mom there, like the thing with her mom and her mom's voice and felt her mom's touch to comfort her.
Speaker 1:I mean, that takes it a whole different direction for me. Is it because she was already on the verge of one foot at the door or what you know? That's scary and um, sad. Like you said, I think I do want to share, like off the bat. I think if I felt my mom, knowing that she's already dead, I don't think I would feel comfort.
Speaker 2:I might get scared I think I feel scared too, like why are you here?
Speaker 1:yeah. So that's like good for a thought for our audience, like how do you see that or how would you feel about something like that? Because, like I said, everyone's different, it depends on what you believe in. But I would be freaked out like I would be like you're not supposed to touch me. No, more.
Speaker 2:Yeah, like, does that mean that I'm already with you somewhere that I'm not supposed to be? Yeah, you could think about it in so many different ways. Anyways, well, thank you so much, jesse, for sharing that with us, and thank you a lot for coming back. We missed you. But, yeah, we want to tell everybody that if anyone out there wants to share a story, please send us an email, and you can find that down in the description and um till next time.
Speaker 1:All right, bye, thank you.
