Krampus review/ Bruce's childhood encounter with cartoon-like entities

12/25/24 This episode explores the duality of Christmas through the lens of Krampus, merging horror and holiday spirit. Laura and Esme review the 2015 film "Krampus," discussing its folklore origins, family dynamics, and the significance of maintaining the spirit of Christmas. They also highlight a true scary story shared by a guest, which reflects the influence of fear during childhood, resonating with themes of Krampus.

We welcome special guest Bruce Villarreal, who shares haunting tales from his childhood involving cartoon-like entities, urging us to reconsider the intelligence and creativity of a child's mind. These early encounters with the supernatural remind us of the importance of acknowledging and validating such experiences, drawing fascinating parallels between the fiction of "Krampus" and real-life paranormal tales.

Chapters

• 0:26 Deep Dive Into Krampus
• 7:13 Krampus Movie Plot Analysis
• 17:51 Krampus Attack Strikes Family Home
• 21:43 Krampus Toy Attack Horror Conclusion
• 33:22 Krampus Snow Globe Symbolism Discussion
• 36:47 The Haunted Dumbo Sleeping Bag
• 46:10 Encounter With Mysterious Puppet Entity
• 52:35 Mysterious Entity Manipulates Family's Belongings
• 56:09 Impact of Childhood Entity Encounter
• 1:01:11 Power of Children's Creativity and Energy
• 1:03:39 Power of Childhood Entities and Energy
• 1:09:05 Taboo Experiences and Family Validation
• 1:14:22 Acknowledging Childhood Entity Encounters

Transcript

Speaker 1: 0:26

The Hello listeners. I'm Laura and I'm Esme, and we are Chicas.

Speaker 2: 0:35

Cucuy.

Speaker 1: 0:36

Thank you for tuning in to our podcast.

Speaker 2: 0:38

This is a podcast dedicated to horror movies and real life cucuy. We take a deep dive into the horror film world and bring you the latest and greatest and sometimes the not so great. We will give you our cinematic reviews and insights to what makes them so terrifyingly good. And please beware of spoilers.

Speaker 1: 0:53

We want you to be happy hearing us, not mad at us for telling you what happens, and after each session we'll feature a real life scary story. If you have one to share, we'd love to hear about it. And, hey, it may even end up in one of our episodes tune in, if you dare.

Speaker 2: 1:18

All right, everybody, happy holidays, merry christmas and a scary new year. Yeah, be P. That is the holidays. The movie that we're going to review this time is going to be Krampus. Now, let me start off by saying that there is a bunch of Krampus movies, and I didn't realize this until after, and I'm so glad that this is the first one that I watched back in the day. This one came out 2015 and unfortunately, that's not enough information to let you know which movie it is, because there was a bunch of Krampus movies that came out 2015 and some other ones. They're super whack. Don't even bother watching them, or you know what. There might be a good one here and there that maybe that I haven't seen, but the one we're talking about is one of our holiday faves. This one was directed by Michael Dougherty, so that's an important thing if you're gonna watch this or if you have watched it. This is the Krampus movie that we are talking about.

Speaker 2: 2:12

I had the opportunity to see this in theaters when it first came out and up until like a like a quarter of the movie, I was unsure where the scary element would come out, because I saw that it was promoted as a scary movie but there's comedy too and like some light-hearted topics that come up and then you kind of forget that it's a scary movie up until it gets scary and takes like a very drastic turn yeah, it's very drastic, so like, if you look it up, it's gonna have, in a nutshell, funny, creepy and terrifying, which I think is the best way to describe this movie, because, yes, it still gives you the festive feeling when you're watching it, and I think part of it is because it starts off by showing us something that no longer exists, and that's something that we've talked about, because, as we watch it on a yearly basis, this is almost 10 years ago when it first came out. But one of the things that is highlighted is that back in the day before there was so much online purchasing and everybody buying everything online and getting it delivered, back in the day, it used to just be like Black Friday. Black Friday is when they really actually had deals and I'm not talking about the Black Friday deals that they have nowadays. They used to literally be like 75% off, like electronic stores, toy stores, so the things that cost like a thousand dollars. You could get it for like $200. Okay.

Speaker 2: 3:30

So it was to the point that people would camp out in front of stores, depending on which one you wanted to go to, like two days in advance, and the news would go you would like be watching the news and see people there like two days before, in a line camping and it was, was crazy. That's not even necessary. That doesn't even exist anymore. That's something that has stayed in the past. But it's funny because, uh, the movie starts off showing us this not the people camped out, but like they're showing us when they open the doors on a black friday and people are like running into the stores, trampling each other, fighting over things you know, jacking each other, you know, for, like the last toy or last electronic, it would be chaotic. Thank god I never experienced that. I would see that in the news and I think at that point when this came out, I don't even think that was still a thing anymore in 2015.

Speaker 1: 4:15

It was, it was yeah because I was in high school at that time and me and my friends would call each other and be like, oh, like, let's, let's try to go like really early to the store, like almost midnight be there.

Speaker 2: 4:25

So that was a still an ongoing thing why do I feel like that was over like a long time ago, even when I was like a young person, I don't know. But anyways, maybe I just wasn't shopping at that time or that crazy, but um, I would see it in the news, I guess. But yeah, so that nowadays, 2024, and for a long time that hasn't occurred, occurred anymore, you know, but it starts off that way and they also show us like in the mall and this same family that we come to see it shows like people fighting in the malls. And I think the kid which is the main, one of the main characters in this movie his name is Max, the actor is MJ Anthony and I think he came out in a movie that I saw on Prime called Hysteria, and I haven't watched it yet, but supposedly it's like also a funny horror movie and it's about some kids that they make like a rock band and pretend to be satanic worshippers or something just to get attention. So anyways, it's the same kid, and this kid obviously is younger in this movie, but he does a great job. And also Adam Scott, he's one funny, funny actor. He comes out in a lot of cool movies. I like him as an actor.

Speaker 2: 5:28

Tony collette, which is the mom. I really like her too and I've liked her ever since she came out as the mom in the sixth sense and hereditary and hereditary. Yes, she came up, she always comes out, the mom.

Speaker 1: 5:38

She does a good mom role and they're usually all horror somehow, but anyways, I don't know her features are like not out of this earth, like dunning, but I think she's so pretty, but I don't know she's she's so attractive.

Speaker 2: 5:50

You know how there's people that are you look at them, they're like, oh my gosh, she's so beautiful. But there's also those people you just say that they're attractive. She's that. She's one of the people that is like attractive, she's like an attractive person, but um, anyways. So just to give everyone an overview about Krampus and who Krampus is the opposite of Santa Claus.

Speaker 1: 6:07

Yeah, he's his. What's that thing called on the opposite His former opposite there's another word he lives in the South Pole.

Speaker 2: 6:14

He's from the South Side. Well, krampus is a half-goat, half-demon monster and in Central European folklore he punishes children who misbehave at christmas. So in this movie when they talk about him which is the grandma, because she seems to know everything, and you will see that too um, she says that he's a more ancient spirit than santa claus, which is funny because that that probably has a lot to do with the folklore which we don't know like a whole lot about. But his role basically is the companion, or used to be a companion, of St Nicholas, who rewards good children. And Krampus would be the one punishing naughty children by beating them with branches and sticks and sometimes eating them or taking them to hell. And he originates in Germany and his name comes from the German word Krampen, which means claw. Doesn't that remind you of Sandy Claws?

Speaker 1: 7:02

Yeah, Nightmare Before Christmas. This is like a real Nightmare Before Christmas.

Speaker 2: 7:06

For real and Krampus basically lashes his chains and bells, captures bad children in a basket and hauls them down to the underworld. Now that we talked about who Krampus is in the folklore world, let's get down to the movie.

Speaker 1: 7:18

Yeah, in this movie they basically like narrow it down to Krampus being summoned once everyone in the household has lost the spirit of Christmas, and that entails like hope, optimism, love. And it looked like in this family there was one kid left that was still very hopeful and happy about the holiday Because everyone else around him wasn't. They were just so like rude to each other and they just look like stressed, yeah, like all the negative feelings that come with family. But, um, yeah, he got so mad that he ended up kind of like taking back or revoking his christmas letter to santa claus. But upon throwing it out, I guess the krampus, or like the universe kind of like, took the little pieces of the letter and it just somehow summoned krampus, like literally in that moment it flew up into the air and the whole weather changed, like an immediate storm started happening. So it was like somehow, like the universe knew, or like the world knew, that that little boy had lost hope.

Speaker 2: 8:14

So at some point the grandma she's talking about her situation and she said that it was in her village that Krampus was first seen and she saw it. So it kind of tells you it's not the whole world, it's like their, their area. So maybe in his neighborhood?

Speaker 1: 8:28

yeah, because the whole world lived there. Remember the little cartoon.

Speaker 2: 8:31

She was in Germany or I'm saying that when she tells it, she talks about that that happened or occurred in her village. It's not the whole world. So like it brings us to think, like was he just the last kid that lost hope in their city or in their neighborhood, you know?

Speaker 1: 8:47

like oh yeah, because they had like a plague or something or like a food shortage, so everybody was in a bad mood when she was little, when she was so she was the last person who lost. I know what you're saying now. Yeah, so in in his. Well, yeah, I remember the neighbors were traveling to like hawaii, like some neighbors weren't there. Yeah, some neighbors weren't there.

Speaker 2: 9:04

Yeah, some neighbors weren't there.

Speaker 1: 9:05

So they were asked out for that.

Speaker 2: 9:06

Yeah. So like, basically, they start showing us the family and they are not really happy. You see the mom like just doing everything she could to like fix the house, to make good food, to do all this stuff. And you hear that the kids are like not looking forward to their family coming over, are not looking forward to their family coming over. And then the dad's like, oh, don't worry, they'll just be here a couple of days and this and that. So they're not, they're already anticipating having a bad time.

Speaker 2: 9:31

Even though the little kid, when he still had his Christmas spirit, he was still trying to do things with his family. He was still like, oh, could we watch the Charlie Brown Christmas, could we wrap presents together? But they were mad at him because of whatever altercation had happened earlier in some play that he was in, right, so you could tell that he was still into it. He still had his, that's when, he still had his letter to santa and all that. And then the grandma was encouraging it. She was over there making like a million cookies and I always wonder in that scene, like who makes all those cookies? Do people really eat them? It makes me think of like mexican people with tamales when they make like like how many dozen tamales is like okay, but who's gonna eat all these? Are we really gonna eat all these until we get sick of them, or what. So that's what I thought about when I think about when I see that lady because they show all the cookies that she's just baking and baking and baking it's like this old lady, right. So she's like oh no, did you write your santa? Oh, do this. Like she's still kind of encouraging his Christmas spirit.

Speaker 2: 10:24

Then, once his family arrives and they're like jerks, and I think it's like the mom's side of the family, like it's like her sister, right, her sister's family, and like the dad, he's like this, like really like a macho guy that you know puts everybody else down, and then like the cousins, it's like two girls and a boy, but like even the girls, they are very tomboyish and, for whatever reason, they like to pick on Max and everything that could go wrong, like you know.

Speaker 2: 10:51

Basically, like there are a lot of families that are like that Thank goodness I don't really have any that I could think of that are immediate family, like there are some people that actually you know they get together with family because they feel like they have to. Okay, they're family, we have to see them. And this is the way this family is kind of like looking at it, like, oh, we have to see each other, not that they enjoy each other's company, and that's one of the things that max brings up to his dad like why do we have to? Like, why do they have to come? Like why, you know, just because we're related to them and this and that. And dad's like I don't know because we're family, and they're even saying how three days is gonna be like eternal because they're gonna be there for three days. So then, not only that, they show up yes, and she's like an uninvited person.

Speaker 1: 11:30

Yeah like they. I thought she was actually the funniest person.

Speaker 2: 11:33

I would have loved to have her over, I know she was funny but like the mom max's mom she's like she tells the sister, why did you bring her? And she's like well, we just stopped by to say hi to her and she came out with her bags. We can't leave her by herself on Christmas, so we just let her come with us. So basically she invited herself. It happens like that. Those are real life things that happen to certain families and I'm sure like not everybody's happy to see each other and that kind of sucks, you know, because there are family that you're like oh my god, I can't, I can't wait for my cousins to come over. But yeah, there are some people that you're like, oh hell, no, like I don't want to see that person. They're like a little turd or whatever you know. So they do a good job at like highlighting that because I think a lot of families could relate. I cannot relate personally, but there are a lot of families that could probably relate.

Speaker 1: 12:13

Just shows a dysfunction the thing is that what's gonna happen has already happened. To the grandma how you're already alluding, and I just think it's a big coincidence that krampus visited like the same lineage, like the same family, twice. That's obviously like the fakest part of the movie, but I'm like, what are the odds? They must have some really bad luck, because the grandma experienced it, so the not the generation after her, but the next, like her grandson literally summoned his ass again.

Speaker 2: 12:40

I know, that's crazy so they're in the middle of dinner and you can tell that the mom's already getting pissed off at the aunt and the other people, whatever. That's when everything, like, went to crap. Because that's when max got triggered to rip up his letter and throw it up in the wind, right, because his cousin start, like, took it from him, started reading it and making fun of him in the dinner table and for some reason the parents could hear them, but they were just allowing it to happen. And even though he was saying nice things, and even nice things about his uncles that he didn't like or whatever, but they're making fun of him and he got mad and he ripped it and he was going to rewrite it or tape it up. And then last minute, when he was about to put in a new envelope, he just got angry and that's when he threw it.

Speaker 2: 13:26

So then the first thing that happens that we notice is that while they're there, the daughter, which is max's sister, wants to go to her boyfriend's house. So they go back and forth, but then they allow her to go, but they start noticing that it's freezing cold outside. It's like a blizzard suddenly arrived in their neighborhood and she's like, oh no, but he's only a block away, or like two blocks away, however far. So they were like okay, fine, but come right back she never comes back.

Speaker 1: 13:45

And then everyone starts trying to retrieve her because time's passing, yeah. But like every time they try, they find out more and more. Things are happening like they realize that someone is breaking into houses, or that the snow machines, or like the cars are not working anymore. No, lights are outside yeah, like they.

Speaker 2: 14:02

Just it was like a power outage and that it is a blizzard, like it's freaking, like snowy and foggy, like you can't see shit so then they pan over to where she's outside, trying to walk in the middle of this blizzard, and she notices something scary, like jumping from ceiling to like from roof to roof.

Speaker 2: 14:21

Of course we know it's Krampus, she doesn't know this, but that's the first time that we see something scary happen because she tries to hide and obviously they get her. She's like the first victim, like they have we start seeing. That's the first time that we see that they're gonna start being attacked by like toys and elves and like weird things, because there's like a music box and it's like those old school ones that you know, a jack-in-the-box, a jack-in-the-box, so like they don't show it to us at that time, but they put a jack-in-the-box and she hears it and then she screams and we don't know what happened yet it just becomes like a, a scary sleepover, like everyone just starts boarding up the, the windows, the doors, because more and more things start going down and it all has to do with them trying to go retrieve that one girl.

Speaker 1: 15:06

That's what I meant to say when I say they discover stuff.

Speaker 2: 15:09

They attack themselves being out there so then, since they can't reach her on the phone and they can't do anything, the dads the uncle and the dad decide to go out to find her, at first, the uncle still being like a little dick to like her dad, um, you know, like, oh, you were an eagle scout, oh you were this.

Speaker 2: 15:25

What did you guys used to? Like help old ladies cross the street and blah, blah, blah. Right, because he's like you don't know anything about survival, just because he goes and has guns and has his hammer and has like all these things that are like no, we could go through anything, we could go storm the shore at normandy, like you know, like trying to be all macho, right, but he does need his help, like to go out there and do that. So, like they end up going, just them two, and that's when she hits the fan for both of them they start being attacked. They find some man like frozen, dead and scared, has like a scared face, and then they find the snowplower and hooves. Yeah, when they finally make it to hoof hoof prints.

Speaker 2: 16:03

Yeah, and they discovered that at because they end up finally making it to her boyfriend's house.

Speaker 2: 16:07

But it looks like like like a burglary or like a murder, but worse because like there's like snow inside so you could tell like the door was like forced open. Like you know, they find the um chimney crack yeah, the chimney's all cracked, like if something exploded. And the uncle he actually says oh, it looks like a gaslight in blue, but it looks like that, but it's not. And then there's snow everywhere, everything's frozen. And then that's when they start thinking like what the hell is this? And they find those prints. So while they're traveling back, that's when they start being like trying to get sucked down into the ground. They still don't know what's happening. Max has gotten scared because he kept looking out the window and he kept seeing these weird like snowmen but they look scary that were like suddenly appearing all over their yard and everywhere else. So that was already kind of like something. And come to find out that those were like, I guess, the helpers of krampus that were like appearing and they were running around trying to like they're the ones that were already attacking everyone. So they started attacking the dad and the uncle. When they were out in that house they were trying to get back. They were trying to get away one of them was being sucked into the ground into the snow, almost dying, which is the uncle. And then max's dad was trying to somehow did not leave him behind. He actually was able to get him out. Yeah, he shot him and then, like he got bit like in the leg, the leg. His leg was bleeding. They went back to the Hummer, which I think was called Lucinda, and they were like Lucinda, no, like he was, like, you know, having a heart attack because his Hummer was completely destroyed and on fire. You know, aren't they supposed to be like super indestructible? Oh, I don't know about that. Yeah, I think so. So like, yeah, like it was destroyed. So somehow they made it back.

Speaker 2: 17:51

And then, right when the mom then they show the mom, they're like you're taking too long, I think I'm gonna go look for him, something's not right. And they were like no, no, no, stay here, just stay here. So, right when she was gonna get go outside, and she opened the door, she was going outside, they come rushing in and they're like seal everything. Well, you know, the uncle, he was having like a little shit attack and he was telling everybody seal all the doors, seal all the windows and this and this and that. But then the dad was kind of telling him like, hey, play it off, because we don't want to scare everyone. So, thank goodness, because the mom was about to go outside and get killed herself, probably.

Speaker 2: 18:19

So that's when they told him no, and she's like you didn't find her. No, she's not there, you know she's, hopefully she's smart. No, and she's like you didn't find her. No, she's not there, you know, she's, hopefully she's smart, you know, maybe she's somewhere safe. But that only started making everybody panic even more. Like the dad was trying to tell the mom everything's destroyed, we're going to have to find her another way, we have to stay in here. So then while they were talking, the kids went to another room with the aunt. That's the ant. That's when they're trying to tell him like this is what's going on, we're being attacked, the hummer got destroyed, this and this and that, right.

Speaker 1: 18:46

So then at some point there's a toy shipment that arrives and it's from the elves, krampus, minions, the helpers that he has. And then one of the aunties thinks that there's a like. She thinks that one of them left presents outside while they're over there in the dark, so she takes them in like the toy, she takes them upstairs into the attic so yeah, they hide them upstairs or something.

Speaker 2: 19:07

So then by that time it starts being night in the attic.

Speaker 1: 19:09

Yeah, in the attic, because they want to wrap them up there yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2: 19:12

So by this time it starts being nightfall and then they're like okay, you know what, for safety, we're all gonna sleep in the living room, so I'll start falling asleep. That's when the grandma discloses their her story and she's like I know what's happening.

Speaker 1: 19:25

And then she starts telling the story about when she was little which is helpful because they know what to expect, but then it's unrealistic because I would have said they've never experienced that. It sounds like really way out that happened to both like you and your grandson in your lifetime. That's weird.

Speaker 2: 19:40

That's like getting struck by lightning twice yeah, but the thing is that she knew what was happening and they didn't believe her at first, or they were just kind of scared and the uncle was like hell, no, this is like some crazy story you're telling us and scaring us and whatever.

Speaker 1: 19:56

Right, I know my favorite part is when he says she's going to be talking about a rabid Easter bunny come spring. I don't know why I think that's so funny. Yeah, so she's like clowning on her so bad yeah, I know she's a poor old lady.

Speaker 2: 20:10

She's just trying to like help them. So she's like you know what? We just need to keep the fire on and keep it hot and like stay together. So they were like, okay, we're gonna take turns sleeping the two dads right. So, um, the uncle was like I'll stay up. He keeps saying like, oh, a shepherd has to take care of his flock, but he's the first one to freaking go to sleep. Yeah, when everybody was sleeping.

Speaker 1: 20:30

And his son is the first to get ate.

Speaker 2: 20:32

Yes. So at that time, because he fell asleep, no one was keeping the fire on. Once the fire turned into embers and they were like already like the fire was gone, they start trying to I guess compass helpers were trying to get in through the chimney, that's the way they'd be doing it. So they started going down and the first thing that pops down was one of these little, this little cookie, which is like a gingerbread man cookie and he looks all nice and fat.

Speaker 2: 20:58

And of course his son, the youngest son. He's a little fat ass, right, so he sees it. He's the one that wakes up because he hears a noise and he, instead of waking everybody else up to say like hey, something's coming down the chimney, his little fat ass goes and sees the cookie and tries to eat it. So when he tries to eat it, they grab him and they're pulling him up through the chimney. So then by that time everybody wakes up and then the mom which is not his mom, but like max's mom she goes and tries to like grab his feet, but they're pulling her up in there too. So all of a sudden everybody tries to like bring them down. They're trying and trying, and trying and of course they do not succeed, they all fall down and they take that little boy. So by then they're really scared. They're like what the hell he's like? They're like they don't know what to do and they're like, oh my god, this is like. This is like really happening. At some point the two girls go upstairs.

Speaker 1: 21:45

Because you're hearing that other girl's voice, the one that went missing.

Speaker 2: 21:49

All right. So the girls go upstairs because they had to go to the bathroom and, like you mentioned, they hear a voice. They are mimicking a voice of their cousin. That is a girl that they can't find. What's her name Beth. Oh, what's your name, beth? Oh, beth. All right, so they can't find.

Speaker 1: 22:07

They think they hear beth but it didn't even sound like her.

Speaker 2: 22:08

It's just like some weird voice, like a robotic voice yeah, they're like come up here, I want to show you something.

Speaker 2: 22:11

And so the last, the two girls mentos, they go upstairs into the attic I don't think no mexicans would have done that I hear a voice, or they would have been like she's up here or something, but anyways, they don't show us right away what happens, but eventually, when everybody realizes that they're missing and they all go upstairs, things are getting attacked in the worst way. And this is when it gets like scary, but it's still funny. It's like funny but you're like ew, like oh my god, because it's like these really ugly and like these really ugly, ugly toys. They're like kind of like they're supposed to be toys that jack in, like that jack-in-the-box that we mentioned earlier.

Speaker 2: 22:50

We actually see its face and the first thing that they see the parents when they're going up there is that he's like eating one of the girls, jordan. He's eating her the same way like a snake. You know how? Have you guys ever seen snakes? When they eat a rat, like after they already killed them, that they're like stretching their mouth open and like, little by little, like their stomach muscles are like contracting to pull them in, little by little. This is literally what he was doing.

Speaker 1: 23:15

It was a jack-in-the-box, but it was weird because like it had like saliva and like wet organs inside, but it was like porcelain, like that. That always, um made an impression on me the, the texture and like what they were made of, because they look like toys, like they look like hard surface porcelain, plastic toys but inside they have like like, yeah, like organs like I know, like a big giant, like no.

Speaker 1: 23:40

But remember, like they're in like a tongue, yeah, like saliva teeth those teeth were really like. It makes you feel like what happens if, like they're in like a tongue, yeah, like saliva teeth, those teeth were really like it makes you feel like what happens if you cut it open? Like is there gonna be like, like skin, like you know?

Speaker 2: 23:52

like oh yeah, because at moments it almost seems like it would be like some monster wearing it as a costume but no, I guess that's part of the krampus magic that there's like hybrid beings.

Speaker 1: 24:06

Yeah.

Speaker 2: 24:07

And then there's like the bird one, it's like a doll.

Speaker 1: 24:10

It's an angel.

Speaker 2: 24:11

It's an angel. Yeah, it's an angel, I guess it looks scary. To me it looks like a bird. I was like it's like a psychotic bird.

Speaker 1: 24:19

It looks like the Bride of Chucky huh.

Speaker 2: 24:20

Yeah, it of chucky yeah it looks like the bride of chucky, but with like a like angel wings that are all like withered and yeah, like a fallen angel, yeah, yeah, okay, that's a perfect example, and it has a tongue yeah, when it's attacking the mom it has like a lizard tongue, like long yeah, it like flaps, it like it's trying to oh my god, remember when it looks like it's going in her ear.

Speaker 1: 24:42

It looks terrible okay her mouth or her nose. Then there's like another like transformer. No, no, no, yeah, it is. But it looks like a little like some kind of robot and they're stabbing the dad, that one who cares, but the fact that it has the little yeah, like you said this the the knife, that's what's scary about it. Yeah, but like itself, it's just like it's not scary, it's just like it's killing you.

Speaker 2: 25:03

And then there's like that teddy bear that looks scary. That one does look scary. It's like a teddy bear. Remember that that one of them like stabs it in the eye and it's like it's oh yeah. So basically it's a bunch of toys that are like demonic and scary and they're attack and they're the ones that start like, they're the ones that infiltrate. I guess they used to infiltrate the house first before, like those ugly devil elves come in. Those are really scary. Like, eventually, when they all like go downstairs because they're able to save one of the girls but not the other one, the family runs downstairs and everybody finds out what's happening. Um, because at first, when they were over there fighting with the toys upstairs, the uncle and like was over here fighting with like a bunch of like gingerbread men, which that part was actually like funny, like cute, funny, even though they were like trying to attack him with like um, like a nail gun and all kinds of stuff, right, but the dog saves him because he eats.

Speaker 1: 25:51

He eats them the elves start invading their house. The elves they look like animals like, they look like people, but their faces are what look like? Very fairy tale?

Speaker 2: 26:02

yeah, because they look like they were wearing masks right, but very fairy tale mask, but they look scary yeah they.

Speaker 1: 26:07

They look like snow white dwarfs. They look like people, but they're kind of like huh, like, kind of like not chunky, but they're like like like chains. They look kind of strong, like they can push you and you'll fly, yeah um, they're like tiny yeah, like they look like pretty husky dwarves and then their outfits are also very elf, like they have like little like hats, like pointy hats no, and like cloaks. Yeah, they have cloaks, they have cloaks but they have gorros too, with like little bells on the end.

Speaker 1: 26:34

I do remember like the like a surplus hat.

Speaker 2: 26:38

Oh yeah, there is one. Yeah, I was thinking about the other ones, but I do remember there's one that looks like that too.

Speaker 1: 26:43

Yeah, they have different outfits, but, um, they're scary, like point blank they're scary and then they go and take everyone and and the. When I first saw the movie and like I get used to it already, but I remember I was like no, they're not gonna kill the baby or take it, but they do. They took the baby we never mentioned it, but there's like a little, uh like a month year old baby or one year old like it's a little.

Speaker 2: 27:02

It looks like a like a fresh baby and they take it baby, they take it.

Speaker 1: 27:06

they take the grandma, which I was also wondering, like where was krampus gonna spare her again, because he met, he came, came across her once already, like he met her, but he took her. And she actually like tried to sacrifice herself. She said, like you guys have a head start because after the elves were invading their house, they all left. Krampus came through the chimney into the house.

Speaker 2: 27:27

So they all left, but the grandma stayed by herself and faced Krampus.

Speaker 1: 27:32

But he like shoved her into a bag of toys, which means she died, yeah.

Speaker 2: 27:35

They cramp us. And then, but he like shoved her into a bag of toys, which means she died, yeah, and the toys were already ready to attack her, remember? Yeah, so that was scary. So then, once everybody got took, taken, taken, they all went outside and like, little by little, they started dropping like flies. Like the parents went first, then it was just the cousins, Three of them. Then they took one of Well, no, no, no, just two of the cousins. At the end, right, max and Stevie were the only ones left and they were like scared and they were trying to like turn on the snow blower or whatever, but then they ended up taking the girl too. So Max was the only one left at the very, very end.

Speaker 1: 28:06

And, based on the grandma's experience, they usually spare the person who lost the Christmas spirit to be a reminder to the world that it happened. He comes.

Speaker 2: 28:16

So he was supposed to stay alive, but because he did a whole show, he he got taken to yeah, he went and this part was really cool because he goes to like where they're celebrating and it looks like they're, you know, dancing around a fire. They look really, um, celtic and pagan and like back in the day, like they look scary and they he's even the the rain aka reindeer that he has. They like they looked scary and they even the reindeer that he has. They were like elephants no, they were. Like they had those big like circular horns. They looked like I don't know what the hell kind of animal, like elephants with horns. They looked like elephants no, they didn't. They looked like rams, like giant rams. They were cool.

Speaker 1: 28:55

They were really cool.

Speaker 2: 28:56

When they were, everybody would celebrate. They would like start like headbutting each other like to celebrate. I guess I don't know it was crazy, but um, it was all very dark and like all their outfits and how they looked was very dark. And I love the way krampus looks, even though, like he, you can't really see his face most of the time, but when you can see him he looks really creepy like. I love the way they made him like. He's just like.

Speaker 2: 29:17

So, um, yes, he reminds you, yeah, and he reminds you of santa claus, but you could tell that he's like the anti-santa claus and they opened a pit of hell like a fire and that's what happens when he yeah, when he's trying to tell him like, leave my family, I want him back, I take everything back, and blah, blah, blah when max is yelling at him yeah, at the end, like he takes his tear and it look, almost looks like what is he gonna forgive him?

Speaker 2: 29:38

but then he starts laughing and then they all start laughing and then, like he drops the krampus little bell because I guess so whenever like to like he leaves that person alive. He gives them a little ornament, an ornament that says krampus on it and looks all like you know, weathered and old and like copper colored or bronze, I don't know what it is. And so the grandma had one and then, um, he, he had got one. So when he throws it, or he it falls, or something, it makes the hole. It makes the hole and it turns into that big pit of hell that you said, right, that big opening, so he still could see them. And he sees when they throw the cousin, that one last cousin that they had hauled away, they still throw her down there and he's like no, so then they grab his ass and then they throw him down too and as he's falling and falling and falling into hell, it looks like it's a dream, right.

Speaker 2: 30:26

He suddenly like is screaming and he wakes up from his bed, right, yeah, it looked like this might have all been a dream so all the viewer as a viewer, you're like, oh my god, he was dreaming, or maybe I hate that I would have hated that, because that's not what happened.

Speaker 1: 30:38

No, I don't like when movies like do that whole pedo just for that. When it's just a dream, yeah, okay.

Speaker 2: 30:44

So at that point my time you do think that it's just. But then me as a viewer, I was thinking like wait, he thinks it's a dream or is it gonna happen? You know some movies they'll do that like, oh, it's a premonition, like he saw what was gonna happen and does he have time to change it. So I mean it kind of leaves you like, okay, there's a lot of factors that or different direction it could take, but this is already in the movie. So you're kind of like, okay, was it a dream? So then he goes downstairs he already hears, like you know, like his family, his family, chitter, chatters and stuff, and they're like, oh, my god, and it looks like he's the last one to wake up. Like they're like, damn, like you're, you should be awake. I mean, you were asleep this whole time.

Speaker 2: 31:19

We want to open presents about time. Blah, blah, blah. They're all kind of giving him shit, but somehow they all seem really happy and they're all like nice to each other, like they're not being jerks to each other, like they were like the night before or two nights before. They're actually being like nice. So he's like, oh, okay, and they're all smiling and whatever. So they're like, okay, who's first? So they're gonna start opening presents. So they're right there sitting down, whatever, and then next thing, you know, they throw him his present. Or he sees a present that he has it in front of him and he's sitting between his parents and even before he opens it he tells parents oh my god, I love you, I'm glad we're together. And they're like, oh, you know, even though he said he had a nightmare. They're like oh, don't worry, like we're all happy now, blah, blah, blah.

Speaker 2: 31:56

But then when he opens his little present because he sees a little box and he opens it, it's the same damn little krumpus ornament which confirms that everything was real a dream and right away you could tell that it wasn't just him, because the parents, even everybody stops talking like when they look and you know they all like even look at each other like what the hell. And they, you know they all like even look at each other like what the hell. And they like look down and they started like just looking at each other, like they're like all silent. So it's almost like maybe they all thought that they had that dream or maybe they all remember that this is like something that really happened. And after that, like they're not happy, no more, they just kind of like stay quiet and then you kind of hits them right, it hits them, yes, all at the same time.

Speaker 2: 32:35

So then the view kind of pans out and it shows them like I guess max looks at the window or I don't know who looks at the window, whatever, and it shows them from from the house and it's still snowing outside and they kind of like the camera's like leaving, leaving, leaving you, and you realize that his little house is in a snow globe. And the snow globe is a significant thing because in the movie Krampus, the snow globes are portals to the real world that Krampus uses to strike at families who aren't respecting the Christmas spirit. So he has a snow globe for every family and uses them to keep tabs on them. The snow globe can also be and I'm reading this the snow globe could also be interpreted as a prison. This suggests that Krampus fulfilled Max's wish in a twisted way way, trapping him with his family on a never-ending christmas morning I like that theory better for that specific movie.

Speaker 2: 33:22

That that's what it represents for me.

Speaker 1: 33:24

I I didn't see it like that. I saw it as a more like vain, uh thing. I thought it was krumpus's way of keeping himself, kind of like showing off his accolades Like these are all my accomplishments, kind of like when they give you a medal for something in school. I thought those were all his medals. Yeah, I didn't see it as the theories that you just said. Well, I mean those are just theories. I mean like, like I thought he was like adding to his collection.

Speaker 2: 33:48

Yeah, no, that's of like that, but like what he's adding to his collection is that he's imprisoning that family. But doesn't it remind you kind of like the like snow globes have like a another meaning, because remember, where have we seen snow globes other other than that?

Speaker 2: 34:04

line yes, coralline, and then who's in there, like the, that's when they. And then also I saw the santa claus that ends with an e, that tim allen is in also. The snow globe represents something like, I guess, like whenever he gets it he's able to transport. It is a portal or not a portal, but like he's able to contact santa claus, which is his dad, like to see him whenever he wants. And then more recently, with a, this non-scary version of another christmas movie, the red one, that the rock comes out in I haven't seen it. So that one there is a part where they see krampus and that krampus sucks. This is not. This is the best krampus, the movie that we're talking about right now. That's the best krampus. So that one that has a krampus that he looks kind of more like silly and yeah, he's, he is who he's supposed to, be right, but he also has a snow globe thing like.

Speaker 1: 34:50

So maybe we're just not well versed with the legend.

Speaker 2: 34:52

It's probably like a whole thing about the snow globe yeah, so it's not good, means something, and I think in that sense, like he, they're able to escape using a snow globe or something like it is a like a transport thing, but also there's like a witch involved and she's using the snow globe to trap people well, I have a snow globe in my room, so that's good to know yeah, so overall this is a great family christmas horror, not so hard scary movie.

Speaker 2: 35:16

So is it like something that you're gonna show little, little tiny kids?

Speaker 1: 35:20

yes, yes I'm glad we both said yes on like yes, yeah, but I do. I would be like this wasn't gonna happen to you.

Speaker 2: 35:28

If you act bad tomorrow, hey, forget elf on the shelf like no crampus, is gonna come get you and kill me and you and trap us in the snow globe, yeah, so anyways that, that, um, that movie's really good and I think it's perfect for when you still want to keep it creepy, but you want to be in the holiday season. That would be the perfect movie.

Speaker 1: 35:47

Yeah like way, step down from Terrifier 3 yeah, this is a family-friendly horror movie yeah, I saw it with my friends and I'm telling you it was really fun. Since when did you say it came out? 2015? 2015. Since 2015,. I watched it annually since.

Speaker 2: 36:02

Yeah, me too. So, yeah, that's something that we definitely it's like a tradition. Huh, mm-hmm, that's a traditional movie, for sure.

Speaker 1: 36:19

Anyways, if you guys haven't already seen it, what do you guys think about what we said? Do you want to add anything? Send us an email and, down below, yeah, tell us what the scare factor for you is, because for me.

Speaker 2: 36:22

I would say it's like a three maybe.

Speaker 1: 36:24

Yeah, I do like that they have jump scares, because in the theaters, yeah, you're like I don't know what to expect, but like now that I've seen it a million times, I know what to expect. So obviously I feel like it might even be zero, but at the time, because you don't know what's coming out, but you do see, a lot of art and time was, uh, invested into making the I love the artistry of those scary toys. They did a really good job with the costume and design of all of it.

Speaker 2: 36:44

Yeah, so yeah, it's awesome movie, so check it out. So with that, now we're gonna take you to our true scary story. So this one, it doesn't have nothing to do with christmas, but it definitely has the same kind of feel, because this is going to be something through the eyes of a small child. This scary true story happened to our guest when he was a very small kid, and through his eyes, these entities decided to show up, make themselves appear to him as figments of characters or cartoons that you would see.

Speaker 1: 37:15

Yeah you would see, like in cartoons as a toy characters or cartoons that you would see, yeah, you would see, like in cartoons, as a toy.

Speaker 2: 37:20

So, having said that, stay tuned. All right, everyone. Well, now we're going to go into our true scary story, and we have a very special guest today. His name is Bruce Villarreal and, yes, he's my cousin. I am bringing him into this because he has a really, really amazing story to tell us. Would you agree, laura?

Speaker 1: 37:49

I mean amazing but also really really scary, definitely scary. I've heard this story before from you and people that knew the story, so it was basically retold to me, but it's gonna be a treat to hear from the person who experienced it firsthand because to this day, I feel it's my favorite campfire story. Like when we start talking about scary things, I think it's really unique. It's not something that I had ever heard before he'll get into it but it has to do with things that you would label these elements as innocent and kid related and just to have them have a twist of something sinister and evil. It's unique for me.

Speaker 2: 38:23

So it's definitely unique, you know what? Because one of the main things that I think that's the most important things that I wanted to highlight about this is that this occurred to him when he was a very small child, and I think that that's what makes it even more creepy and scary and like out of the norm, because even for something paranormal or even for something that's like, you know, that has to do with being haunted and things like that, this is even more so out of the ordinary and because of that, I'm sure that this is something that has stayed in his mind so fresh and so clear, because of how um impression, the impression that it left on him, you know, and me that's that's the thing. How long did he tell me the story? A very long time ago, but I still remembered a lot of the details because it was something that just stood out from any other story I've ever heard in my life.

Speaker 1: 39:10

So yeah, likewise, so take it away.

Speaker 3: 39:13

Awesome, awesome. I'm happy that it left an imprint in you. I hope that it leaves an imprint with your audience, and congratulations, cousin Laura and Cousin Esme. It's a privilege to be with you both and you have a very unique program, so I want to congratulate you both on it. Something that's always fun, but also with some real stories behind it, makes it exciting. Our words, our stories can leave an imprint and impact in people. Yeah, so I was happy to get the invitation to share this story, so thank you again, laura. Thank you, cousin Esme.

Speaker 2: 39:42

Oh, thank you for being here. Even, like I said, even though I know sorry, it's still like a treat to hear from you, like as if it was the first time I hear it, so yeah, so let us know. You can start off by telling us how old you were. Where did you grow up? Where did this occur?

Speaker 3: 39:51

Well, so hello to all your audience all over the world. But I live in El Paso, texas, now, by the way, so if there's any El Pasoans or Guarances around, the area, but I'm originally from Los Angeles, california.

Speaker 3: 40:00

I was born in Redondo Beach, california, and I grew up in Lenox, california, and so that's where I was born and raised and then from there we went to Hawthorne and then I ended up here in El Paso, texas. But back in Back in Lenox, I was right behind a park. I remember I was a little kid. So many people discredit how young a child can be and be remembered of their memories, just so everybody knows. You know they say that typically from three years and above people can recall, and even younger. But I remember this experience vivid, like many others that I can recount.

Speaker 3: 40:29

When you brought the invitation to me, esme and Laura, I was telling other people, hey, guess what, I got an interview for this. You know, to share my story. Have you heard the story? Like, no, I haven't. So when they hear like three years old, you remember, so many people are amazed that you know how far our memory can go back.

Speaker 3: 40:43

I've heard stories of children who will see things that other people can't see. So remember people's awareness and I guess the fourth dimension, capacity or capability, is there. And capacity or capability is there and then they can say, hey, we're probably crazy or, you know, that's their vivid imagination and that's something you question. So when I was three years old, I remember my little brother, brian, and you know he was just recently born, probably a month or three months old, I can't recall exactly, but I think it was between one and three months old. And it's crazy because you know some of our Latino families. You know we like to sleep in the room with our parents, and I was that one child. I had my own room, but I was put my little bed on the floor and sleep to my mother's right side Right.

Speaker 3: 41:19

There's any people who grew up sleeping on the floor. You know it's cool. I had great times with my cousins and family and friends sleeping on the floor and I didn't mind. So I still don't mind if I need to. But I was next to my mom's bed. But what's crazy is my little brother being born one to three months old. You know he had his little sleeping bag. He was sleeping with me on the floor. He should have been on a crib or some kind of you know cradle, but he was on the floor with his brother.

Speaker 2: 41:43

You know that's how we did in the eighties or seventies.

Speaker 3: 41:46

Yeah, exactly, that was in the seventies, right, so, but so, yeah, so my little brother was sleeping with me on the floor and I remember this this morning it was on a Saturday morning, it was on a weekend, you know where parents typically, you know, wake up late. We children, sometimes we typically get up really early. I remember I used to get up and watch tv at five o'clock in the morning, I don't know if you remember isn't it but?

Speaker 3: 42:05

um, I Spanish was my primary language at home, but um, I learned English watching Sesame Street and all those oh yeah, I think a lot of us did that, yes.

Speaker 3: 42:14

It was five o'clock in the morning and I was with my little Sony 10 inch TV and you know I was on it. So I would do that typically every morning. But on this Saturday I woke up and you know, everything's quiet. I'm looking to the left, which is my mom was to my left, you know I was looking at the bed, you know. In other words, I was just looking around. But first I looked to my right and I was looking at my little brother and he had his little little sleeping bag. He had a Dumbo sleeping bag. If any of you old schoolers remember Dumbo from Disney, um, you know he was in a circus and the, the print on his sleeping bag, had the, the circus train where these different animals are in their cages the Casey Jr train exactly.

Speaker 3: 42:50

You remember the name so I can recall that. But yes, on the train, so Casey Jr train and I'm looking to towards his little cover because he had all the little prints there and all the different animals, and I see my brother's asleep and then I'm looking at the cage where there's a lion and his head starts to move around like he's looking at me. I'm like whoa, whoa, and then the little, his little lion cub is looking up at that because I guess an amazing, because he's looking at me and staring at me and what I do? Because I got kind of scared, I'm like oh, my god, you know, is this for real? And I poked him in the face, in the mouth, and he bit me, the thing bit me I was like what the heck?

Speaker 2: 43:26

okay, so just for clarity for our listeners yes this is a print. This is a a print that has the cartoon images on the sleeping bag right yeah and the image starts moving. So that's when you decide to go put your finger and like, poke it to see, because you saw something odd with it, right?

Speaker 3: 43:46

yeah, because he was like kind of mocking me, he started moving his head and I was like what the heck is this? Is this for real? And then I poked it and it bit me. Oh, my god so, and he was staring straight at me, you know. So from there I'm like oh my God. So I want to tell my mom, and I'm looking, I turn to my left now and I don't see my mom.

Speaker 3: 44:04

I see a man sleeping next to my mother with a, with an arm hanging. It's not your dad, it is not my dad. My dad's sleeping on the other side. But I see, like this cartoon type character, at the height of a, you know, a human being, those skinny legs like the cartoons. He had a black top hat, his arms were skinny like a stick, his legs were skinny like a stick, with a little little black shoes.

Speaker 3: 44:26

And as I was going to tell my mom, he's, turned around and looked at me. He said like don't say nothing Like, don't say nothing Like. And I was just like, okay, and he turned around and hugged my mother. So he gave me his back and he's hugging my mom like you know, mocking me, and I was just like, oh my God, and I stand up. You know, imagine this little three, you know kid, and I'm looking at. He's hugging my mother, my mother's not waking up, my dad isn't waking up. They're facing each other and kind of like in a trance, we kind of were discussing this work. You know they weren't waking up like hey dad, hey mom, and they were not listening.

Speaker 2: 44:57

What did you think at this moment? I was freaked out.

Speaker 3: 44:59

I was freaked out. I was freaked out. I mean, you know, you're trying to, you know, digest this and kind of like, what is this? And plus, remember that he told me like kind of like, I guess, like in shock, and then shock number two, right. So then I go walk into the living room and, uh, so as I'm going into the living room, you know I was telling you that how it is that our latino families have their little adornos, their little, you know, little, animals, or you know right, the ceramics for decorations, and how would you say that in english?

Speaker 2: 45:33

you know the decorations the decorations, yeah, like little knickknacks yeah yeah, so.

Speaker 3: 45:40

So my mom had, you know, those figurines, and then he, she had, um, I remember, uh, three turtles like a large, a medium and a small turtle, and nice, beautiful, they look like real life. But as I'm walking towards them, they start walking and I'm like what the heck these things are walking.

Speaker 2: 45:56

All three of them were walking and I'm just like and I'm looking through yeah, I mean like what's going on? What is it like?

Speaker 3: 46:02

they were going like, like they're, they're walking on the little table. They started moving when I walked into the living room crazy, yeah. So I was just like, okay, shock, number three, right. And then they had a black leather couch. And then they had this yellow lazy recliner that I think was in the family like for years. But there was a cover in the recliner and I kind of like opened it up to see what was in there and there was this dog. We had no pets, we had no cats, and a dog came out of the behind the little cover on the recliner. I was like, oh my God, what is this?

Speaker 2: 46:37

And what?

Speaker 1: 46:37

did the dog look like?

Speaker 3: 46:39

Like a little black little fuzzy dog. Black little fuzzy dog. It was small, it was like black with a little bit of gray, like those little hairy, you know tight puppies, and it just came out of nowhere and it was like whoa, so shock, number four, right. So I'm looking around the living room. I didn't see nothing else. The turtles are still walking, the little dog is behind the little you know the little cover there and then I go okay.

Speaker 2: 47:03

So going back to the dog, because you did mention that he tried to bite you.

Speaker 3: 47:07

Yes, he did. He did try to bite me, you know, out of nowhere, this dog, you know, tried to bite me and I'm just like, oh, it's already had, the little lion on the front?

Speaker 2: 47:14

Were you scared or were you still just like, like?

Speaker 3: 47:17

I was, I was astonished or scared.

Speaker 3: 47:19

I was astonished, scared, and since my parents weren't waking up, so then, after the dog issue, then I said, okay, I need to go with my parents now, like because this is already crazy, like what's going on. I was scared and there was nowhere else, nobody, nobody else in the house, it was just us three, my parents and myself, right. So from there I go back into the room, my little brother's in his little sleeping bag. I told you that the way that Lion's gesture, from the original gesture to the one after when I bit him, it stayed the same, which is crazy. So I'm looking at that. I see that man, big cartoon figurine, hugging my mother, still with a top hat. So then I walk over to my dad's side to wake him up and shake him, because you know they weren't on response. I'm like already, like, okay, this is crazy, I need to tell my dad wake him up, so he can, you know, wake up and get this man off of my mom. And I'm shaking him and he doesn't wake up.

Speaker 3: 48:07

The closet door was in front of my dad, that my parents bed and uh, you know, back in the 70s, uh, you know, this kid's my mom. I think she was like 21, 23. She was young and she had like a basket where they had the spools, like a sewing kit and the different needles and all that. I guess they gave her when she was married A beautiful one which I remember which was light blue. It was those plastic wrapped with like the plastic wire wrapped. It was pretty, very nice and colorful, wrapped with like the plastic wire wrapped. It was pretty, very nice and colorful. And out of that basket a puppet pops out like with a big mustache, ugly looking thing, and he's telling me to also shut up and don't say nothing. And he really scared me because he looked really ugly. You know, really little little puppet figurine popping out of the basket. I'm not expecting to see that. He's telling me like don't say nothing. And he did pop his little hand in his finger like and don't say nothing. And he pointed at me.

Speaker 2: 48:59

So what did he? Did he look like he was made of what? Like? Did he look like an entity or he looked something like you could touch, like how did he look?

Speaker 3: 49:12

No, everything you look, everything little plush, um, stuffed person, you know, and so can you imagine. He's like a the long, little oval shaped body, um, with a little round head with a black top hat, skinny arms, skinny legs and the little black feet, like you would see in the cartoons. Right, I'm sure you guys look at some of those old school cartoons. That's what he looked like, but in the size of what? Like a five, six, five, seven type man sleeping next to my mother. Imagine that.

Speaker 3: 49:39

That's pretty crazy yeah, that, that's definitely like that was a full body deal, right with the little skinny legs. I mean just describing it gives me the chills because it's kind of disgusting and scary, because I remember it vividly it reminds me there's, I don't know.

Speaker 2: 49:52

There's like a, there's a, um, a spanish, like a comic book, that there's like a character that comes to mind when you describe it like it sounds very cartoonish, like the body's like, sounds like you're saying that he's kind of like it was like a cartoon, I mean exactly.

Speaker 3: 50:05

I think what you're saying is exactly what I'm talking about.

Speaker 2: 50:08

So, like the body of like, maybe like a pill, and then two skinny legs and the skinny arms coming out of it like that's exactly exactly kind of like or a bean however you want to describe the shape a big jelly bean type thing and a round head.

Speaker 3: 50:21

Yeah, exactly kind of like the cartoon. Exactly like a cartoon, but full body, full figured on the freaking bed next to my mom hugging my mother. That's freaking crazy right and then your parents were like no way waking up, nothing, like they were just no, so we concluded and I conclude after our conversation as well is that they must have been in a trance because nothing was waking them up. I mean, if somebody else is hugging you right, you'd be like, what is this? Because my dad's on the opposite side, right Opposite side.

Speaker 2: 50:48

Yes, definitely definitely.

Speaker 3: 50:49

Right. So that was kind of weird. And then when this little puppet thing pops out, so again it was a something you could touch, if you, I was able to touch it because it looked like a cloth type thing, like a puppet, you know, he came out of the basket, like you know, like if you're going to disneyland and these things pop out of a basket or something, you're like what the heck is that? Right?

Speaker 2: 51:07

yeah, you're like, what right am I on?

Speaker 3: 51:10

yeah, yeah. And then the little thing with his little hand tells me and like shut up, like kind of like threatening like something's going to happen if you tell on us, kind of a thing. So he's the one that scared me the most because he was this little tiny thing. He was like a little man in a little you know basket, popping out and threatening me. So he was scary, looking with a big, you know bushy mustache and his hair like bushy as well.

Speaker 2: 51:42

It looked like he had a um, so imagine that. Oh my god, so I know. I asked you this last time, so you know, but I'm asking you again.

Speaker 3: 51:42

No, no, this spanned how long, like how did, how long did this whole? Because it sounds like it was back to back to back. Yeah, no, it was back to back straight up deal.

Speaker 2: 51:46

So it could be anywhere from 30 minutes to 60 minutes, 30 minutes to an hour because a lot of things to happen, like that's like a lot of things to happen, especially such a small child. You don't know what to do. You're like on your own. It's like very almost like Alice in Wonderland, like something's happening to you, you know yeah, it was like.

Speaker 3: 52:02

It's like it felt like slow motion and it could have been even less time than that, but it's so much to swallow, it's such a small amount of time. And you know how we're kids, we're wandering all over the place, we're kind of looking and you're kind of like you know, is this for real? You know, you're kind of trying to digest it because you're alone, they're not waking up. You're like, okay, what's going on? So after the, the salai incident, the the living room incident, I went running into my parents room and I still see this man hugging my mother, so I wasn't seeing things.

Speaker 3: 52:28

I see the lion's head, because I went to check, his head was at the last, you know position, position that he was looking at me. So then my dad finally wakes up. I'm waking up, shaking him, dad, dad, dad, I guess he wakes up out of his trance and when that happens, they disappear, which is crazy, they disappeared. So I'm telling my dad hey, dad, you know, you know, tell him everything that I just told you. And he's kind of like, well, don't worry about it, you know, that's very strange. And my mom wakes up and she's kind of like, what's going on? Right, but the one I was telling was my father. So he sat down with me, we prayed and then, you know, we sang some you know, religious hymns and songs and then, after that, my dad started looking around the house like, hey, well, my dad started looking around the house like, hey, well, being a religious man, he knew that sometimes, you know, people can carry things and is there something that you have or is in the house that it can attract? Yeah.

Speaker 2: 53:22

What's the cause of it? Like, why are they suddenly happy? Because that's not drastic, it's crazy. Because, you know, we come across people that sometimes tell us like their experiences, and it could be like, ok, there's something that they saw, like they saw a shadow, they saw like something appear, or they felt something, like something touched them, or you know things like that, a sensation, a sensation, but like the things that you experienced this particular day, there's so many things Like it was like something that, whatever it was, felt very powerful and very drawn enough to be like continuous, you know, because it was like one thing after the next, after the next, after the next, and so it felt like an attack, like you were saying that's it, yeah.

Speaker 1: 54:02

I feel like he was under attack and it's crazy because they all had to do with things that you, you would think, oh, this is like a safe thing for a kid, like toys for tools, yeah and figurines that were already at home.

Speaker 2: 54:13

Like it's like the innocent part getting taken away yeah, because that kind of almost leaves you like, are you ever gonna feel comfortable like, let's say, you know your parents were less understanding and let's say they were not really like they didn't believe you.

Speaker 3: 54:25

They just told you, oh, you're having a dream like it was not real or something like you would have been left to like deal with it by yourself, you know yeah, yeah, I mean, and I'll tell you one thing, even though after the fact that I would go back into, I would check and I was scared, I would be scared to go in, uh, the room and especially see the closet, so and then they got rid of the the sleeping bag.

Speaker 2: 54:45

Thank god they got rid of it and because you did say say again, say it again I know you mentioned it what part earlier, but let's go back to it that um image of the lion didn't return to its normal image, that it kind of stayed it didn't.

Speaker 3: 54:59

It didn't, as a matter of fact, um, the, the little baby cub, was facing outside originally, but then in the picture he's facing up looking at his dad, and the lion was staring at us directly, same as a little cub, but then his face was tilted and so that image changed and it gives me the chills right now because I remember exactly looking at it and, um, it was horrible, because I double checked to see if it went back and it stayed as the last image when I poked his face, and it's so great that.

Speaker 2: 55:29

I think that's the part that like really yeah gets me the most because obviously, you know, whatever entity was there manipulated the image that existed already, that was either stitched or printed, but just the fact that it stayed, like how, whatever it change, it made like it stayed that way, that's crazy. Yeah, that's the weirdest part. Yeah, that's the part that just kind of stands out because it's like okay, you can't even say like, oh yeah, I woke up from a dream because, like the, the evidence of it being like something happened is like right there in front of you and that's why we got rid of it, because, um, you know, I was telling him, look that the face changed and imagine a little kid, three years old, telling you that.

Speaker 3: 56:09

And they did get, they did get rid of it. They did get rid of it because I was horrified, especially because the thing freaking bit me, plus the way its head was, and I think again, that was like a mockery and I think what these paranormal entities do they want to mock us like hey, you know what, you know, I have power over you.

Speaker 2: 56:26

Or you know what I did scare you, or you know, and when that man was hugging my mother, I mean I was like yeah, like I think like basically, what they want is they want your reaction like a reaction, you know. They want to see what they're going to cause in you, and that's kind of really unfair, because you're like a little child.

Speaker 3: 56:42

Yeah, I mean it was crazy. It was scary. You know, like I said right now that I'm recounting the story, I'm kind of like. You know I can remember standing up.

Speaker 2: 56:50

Everything I described exactly is what I did and what I experienced um in this whole story, which is crazy yeah, and I think it's that it's because it was like startling something that's gonna definitely be just embedded in your core memories.

Speaker 3: 57:02

Well, imagine if, if that story made an impact on you.

Speaker 2: 57:06

Imagine the person who lived it, you know?

Speaker 3: 57:08

yeah, definitely and many people don't believe. They're like are you freaking, kidding me? Yeah, three years old and yeah, we can remember and I remember exactly what I did. I remember exactly what happened. I remember the images of these huge characters, a little puppet and, like I told you, uh as well. So at the end, my dad did find something behind a black couch. Um, so, be careful what people bring into your life, what you receive or exchange from people, because they can bring entities into your house, into your car or even on you and there was a lady.

Speaker 3: 57:38

A lady had hidden some you know spiritual items in a brown paper bag in an old school. You know market, because that's how you grow with a grandma. How would you say it? The produce, or what do you call it?

Speaker 3: 57:48

Like the supermarket, supermarket, the supermarket. So I'm thinking marqueta, right Like grandma. So I'm going to go with no. No, it seems that she was asking for some kind of help. My parents received her. I'm not sure she spent the night. If she was there for a while, because they were open with people. I was telling you last time that you know they were. Let family come in, strangers come in like if it was nothing. So again, I learned later in life that that's not the right thing to do.

Speaker 3: 58:21

Right, you can't yeah, I mean I'm sure they did it with good intentions, you know like of course, their, their intention was a good one, but it doesn't mean because we have good intentions but other people have bad intentions sometimes exactly so.

Speaker 3: 58:31

That was the idea. So, uh, my dad remembered that he let this lady come in and, uh, you know that that she was the last person that was at the house. So, um, those items belonged to her. So what we did is we burned them. And once we burned them, um, you know, we said a prayer again and after that it was, it was done. So I remember after that I was OK, skateboarding outside because I didn't want to come into the house.

Speaker 2: 58:53

And I'm going to be an outdoor child from now on.

Speaker 3: 58:56

Exactly, you know, I didn't want to go back in. So, like I said, I remember when I went back in you know, I was still kind of scared, and mainly of the room, the living room, and I checked the little turtles in the living room. They were, um, intact because they didn't throw those away. But they didn't move again. Um, there was no dog under the cover, there was nothing under it after that.

Speaker 2: 59:15

And then it, yeah, and then inside the the the room, well, they got rid of the little sleeping bag and that was that, you know but again that story and experience that stayed with me till this day my goodness, and you know, I think like listening to this is like again, people could easily just say like, oh, you know, that's a child's imagination, most likely you were sleeping because you were you know how you mentioned that you were, um, sleeping on the side of the pilot. Oh, you were probably still dreaming and you dreamt that that happened. And then you woke up later but like no, you actually had evidence that all this took place. It wasn't a dream, it wasn't any imagination. And because of the story itself you know, that's something that, like I said, it's not like a lot of people's experiences with entities this is something that just like stands out so much, and I think this is the reason because the movie that we reviewed right before this, yeah, it has to do kind of similar.

Speaker 2: 1:00:01

It has to do with a lot of like things that seem innocent, that you know something attacks a family and it has to do with that. You know there's like toys in the mix and all that so kind of like goes hand in hand with this, which is why we chose I think it was like the perfect time to bring your story in here.

Speaker 2: 1:00:16

Awesome, like there was like different elements like yeah gingerbread, cookies, toys, all those things that, like you, wouldn't think twice about being scary, that come into it, but yours was like a real life one. I think it's important to like. This is an important question like so now, as a parent, you're older obviously you know, with your own children.

Speaker 2: 1:00:34

You know, like, let's say, they ever saw something that was out of the ordinary or something that scared them. I'm pretty sure that this changed the way you would be as a parent, like hearing things from your children, because you've experienced something as a child and thank goodness your parents had your back and they believed you. You know, I know that there's like a lot of people that probably would dismiss their kids and like nothing, and then they're there like gary and had no answers by themselves, you know. So, like, did that change the way you would listen to your children as a grown-up? Now that you're adapted?

Speaker 3: 1:01:03

for sure, and I think even more one day when I'm a grandfather right, Because I think the older we get. I think my awareness has opened up as time has gone by.

Speaker 3: 1:01:11

And then having these conversations because, yeah, children have a creative genius that we don't understand and they see things we don't see. And people underestimate children's intelligence and brightness and I see it. I remember my son being three years old. And and brightness, and I see it. I remember my son being three years old and he would tell me dad, I can do anything from nothing. And he was three years of age. So kids are recording, they're on recording time like this. You know podcast, it's live as soon as they're born right and remember, even before they're being conceived.

Speaker 3: 1:01:40

Just a real quick story that I didn't tell you. But you know one of the things that I learned in Los Angeles I took a course for neuro linguistic programming. You know, just a little side note, because, again, everything is stored in our subconscious mind as well. Right, our lifeline, or timeline, is written within our brain and, you know, sometimes we can't access them unless we're taking there. So I took this course. You know of the power we all have within us. So I went to take this course, had gone to grandma's house. Do you remember the little wine thing she had next to the fridge to put their wines? Remember that Grandma's house? So that morning I came into the house, everybody was asleep. I had so much energy in my body with what I was learning, guess what. I don't know if you knew this, esme, but all the bottles broke and the top you know. They went out and they exploded. I had that much energy in my being that those things exploded.

Speaker 2: 1:02:23

No, I didn't know that.

Speaker 3: 1:02:24

Yeah, so that's something that happened to me. So that's how powerful we can be and the energy we carry. So that happened to. I was like, oh my god, I was amazed at what happened why do you think that happened like?

Speaker 2: 1:02:33

you went in there excited or energized, or just?

Speaker 3: 1:02:36

just energized with, with what I was learning and the power we have within us, right. So I was like whoa, this is for real, right so so with so also one of the things that they taught us how to go access the subconscious mind, and so I did an exercise with Brian, my brother. And just a quick side note because I don't know if you knew that Brian was in my mother's tummy. He was probably about six months old. I don't know if you knew that my mom had an accident in the Mercedes.

Speaker 3: 1:02:58

I think I do recall, maybe possibly hearing- so you remember, you know Brian's little issue that he has right With the breathing and the hyperventilating type thing. Well, that stems from that accident. My mother was maybe, I think, six months pregnant. We're driving off of one 11th and Hawthorne Boulevard. Back then there used to be a live nude place on the corner on the right, where I think now there's the gate for the, for the freeway or the. You know, the and to the left is like supermarkets. So my mom got hit head-on and the mercedes steering wheel was the marble one so it went straight into my mother's tummy. So we thought she was going to lose the child and we went into the live nude place. Uh, to make use the phone to, you know, my mom was able to get out. The car was destroyed, so I did this exercise with brian and he went back into his six month state in my mother's stomach doing the timeline in the subconscious mind. So it's pretty crazy. So his first impact of life was that one.

Speaker 2: 1:03:52

So what do you mean? He went back to it.

Speaker 3: 1:03:53

Yeah, so we did like a hypnosis on him.

Speaker 2: 1:03:56

I was doing it with him. Oh, hypnosis, okay.

Speaker 3: 1:03:58

And with that hypnosis I took him back to his first trauma or his first impact of life, and it was that moment and he relived it exactly how it happened, and I was with my mother when that happened and he was able to access that even though he was in the womb he was. I was able to take him back in his subconscious mind and he relived it, while this, you know, this was probably about, uh, probably about nine years ago or ten that I did this exercise with my brother well, that's crazy and I I was able to take myself back to even before being conceived.

Speaker 3: 1:04:27

So you know, so it's crazy, you know so. So everybody knows how powerful you know, uh, either entities and we are as well yeah, we have and also to connect in our subconscious mind and also the energy we have, like with the bottles. So again, you know, there's the power of good and there's the power of evil and you know, I live the power of evil but I'm also sharing the story of the power of good in our energy and the power that we have within.

Speaker 2: 1:04:49

So I know there, if it serves in any way oh no, no, yeah, definitely, because I mean I know that our energy, the energy that we carry with us, I mean it's used for so many different reasons, just I mean beyond, like our own life source and keeping us going, obviously right yes, uh but you know how they say like sometimes, like when there's like poltergeist activity, which has a lot to do with things breaking and moving and things like not really anyone's seeing apparition but things happening in the house, and a lot of times they connect it to like teenage kids that are like growing and going through puberty and going through that phase in life because of all the energy that they have that they don't know how to control it and it exits their body or that sounds like it's kind of something similar. Is that what you feel?

Speaker 3: 1:05:26

like that's kind of the same thing I'm just saying that the power that we have within, the powers that surround us, the things that that we can't see, and remember that the kids between zero to six years of age, their pineal gland is at full force, yeah, that's why they can see and hear and observe things that we can't you know things like the dogs or animals that they can hear and see things. They have that connection.

Speaker 2: 1:05:47

The same way, animals could sense things that we can't you know.

Speaker 3: 1:05:50

Yes.

Speaker 2: 1:05:51

Kind of like the same thing that kids have, like that heightened.

Speaker 3: 1:05:53

Awareness, alertness.

Speaker 2: 1:05:54

Yeah, like the six senses that we're normally, that we're used to having them Like they have like their other senses. Beyond that, a little bit stronger than a random adult.

Speaker 3: 1:06:03

Yeah, on that a little bit stronger than, yes, random adult. Yeah, so you know that's a whole nother topic, but I think it's beautiful. But you know, again, we have to be aware that, hey, kids have their intelligence. Pay attention, parents, uncles, grandparents to our children, because you know, sometimes we don't. I think most people are asleep, or you think that it's their vivid imagination. No, they're above and beyond us, you know yeah, and a lot of parents or people.

Speaker 2: 1:06:20

They treat children as like, okay, they're little, they don't know anything all you have to do is just feed them, dress them, take them to school and that's it, like they really don't even give them the time of day, um, to nourish them and, like, teach them things, and that's when it's most um, it's like a pivotal moment for them to learn, when they're little children, because that's when they're absorbing the most. So a lot of people think that just because a child is that young, that was like a little kid.

Speaker 2: 1:06:41

They don't know anything. They're stupid, it's like. No, they're just as smart as like their intelligence. It's just as strong as an adult. It's just what they're lacking is experience. You know. They're lacking knowledge, and that's what we have to give them, you know.

Speaker 3: 1:06:53

Well, just to remember, I remember when you were born. I remember seeing you as a little baby, as I saw my little brother. So I mean, do we remember? People think that we don't but watch out, because they're going to become adults and you're going to find out a whole bunch of different things, because we are aware. We are listening, we are. That was little Bruce, back in the day, you know, at three years of age. And yeah, so you know it's a crazy story.

Speaker 2: 1:07:14

That's a crazy experience. And then, like that was, you know, like I said, that was like not fair, they were attacking you so young yeah because some people like a lot of non-believers.

Speaker 1: 1:07:23

that's why they are so certain that things don't exist, because they never first hand experienced anything. And lucky them. But it's crazy because on the spectrum there's someone at a young age who has experienced everything Like he got like a big old spoonful of stuff. Yeah, you give that to him in one day.

Speaker 3: 1:07:41

I got a mega dose that lasts a lifetime and guess what? It's already going around the world through you guys, which is pretty awesome. It definitely is. And just so you know, I was telling you last time that, because you know we come from a religious background, you know there are the good spirits and the bad and, for example, my dad being a pastor that he was at the time, he did see people levitating, that's scary.

Speaker 3: 1:08:06

One of our other uncles. He was picking up a person one of his Bible studies to go to their convention and he said that the demons would not let them get in the car. They were pulling him back home. They didn't want to let him get in the car to go to the convention.

Speaker 2: 1:08:16

So that's so crazy and scary, isn't that crazy? Can you imagine like?

Speaker 3: 1:08:19

fighting against. You're pulling somebody from someone else who's invisible.

Speaker 2: 1:08:23

Yeah, that's crazy.

Speaker 3: 1:08:25

So it gives me the chills, because I grew up around these stories and they were real, they actually lived them. So I guess that's what helped my dad to kind of believe it, even though they didn't see it. And sometimes, you know, again, most people question it because, since they can't see it, but I did live it, I did live it and many people have. And, like Laura said, many people haven't live it. I did live it and many people have. And, like laura said, many people haven't so because, um, they haven't, they don't believe that it doesn't exist.

Speaker 2: 1:08:49

But it's, it's real, it's a real deal yeah yeah, like laura was just mentioning to me last time, um, maybe in the past episode that we had, I don't know, but she had said how there are some people that, even though they have experienced things, they say, oh, I don't believe in that. That happened to me, but I don't believe in it. That happened to me, but I don't believe in it.

Speaker 1: 1:09:05

Remember, yeah, I know people like that and it's kind of contradicting, because I feel like the more accepting you are than how he's doing, you could spread knowledge and just make people, just remind people that they're not alone, because this happens to more people than we think.

Speaker 2: 1:09:19

Like just the other day.

Speaker 1: 1:09:21

It's kind of taboo, Like you don't want to talk about it.

Speaker 2: 1:09:22

Yeah, some people don't want to talk about it and I'm going to give an example. Like I was just talking to my mom, not to throw her under the bus or anything yeah, not to throw her under the bus, but like she, I remember there was times that I was experiencing certain things when I was younger and I still lived with her and I was like you know, but it wasn't like I said, it was not sleep paralysis, it was actually like something you know, because sleep paralysis I know that there is a difference. I mean, obviously there is a medical thing that could occur to people that, yes, sometimes like you cannot move because your sleep cycle is still in progress or whatever, you know. So sometimes that could occur. But there are other times when you are definitely not sleeping, yeah, you know. So sometimes that could occur.

Speaker 3: 1:10:06

But there are other times when you are definitely not sleeping.

Speaker 2: 1:10:07

Yeah, so obviously there is like she just missed you, she just missed me because finally, when I did tell her, you know, but she didn't even say that medical one, like I mean, I knew for a fact that was not what was happening, because I experienced it once, twice, three times. And then finally it got to the point that I knew when it was going to happen and it was a day that I was literally not waking up, not falling asleep. I was, I had literally just sat down to watch tv and it was like about to happen. But since it had happened already several times, like it's like like in a millisecond, I already knew it was about to happen because of some sounds that I would hear. First, you know, it was like some sounds.

Speaker 2: 1:10:36

So I started hearing it and I started feeling like something that I had already experienced three times and immediately I just like jumped up and it's funny because I felt it like also like go away from me. When I jumped up, like I didn't like if I would have stayed sitting a little bit longer, it would have like attacked me again. So I remember all those three times telling my mom and I told her mom, it's something that's like that's pressing me down, it does and it's not allowing me to talk. It's like almost like I had like something like cover my mouth because I could make noise, but it was like it was like covering my mouth, not allowing me to talk, not allowing me to move, nothing.

Speaker 2: 1:11:10

It was crazy so and I was hearing sounds and like, so, like I knew like the feelings that I was feeling, so I was telling my mom and she would tell me I mean, you're just dreaming. It was probably a dream, like you, probably just like we're not completely awake yet and I'm like no, mommy, no, you don't understand, this is what was happening. But she was just so dismissive, she just didn't want to like deal. You know, like she's like no, you agree me. And I then, when it happened again, I told her. When it happened the third time, I told her and then fast forwarding today, years later, what?

Speaker 2: 1:11:39

yeah so I actually brought it up like two days ago. Oh, what did you say? So what was?

Speaker 3: 1:11:45

the outcome of that?

Speaker 2: 1:11:45

tell me, that's like two days ago I brought it up and it was after like less, I want to talk to you but like I was telling, oh yeah, this is amazing. You know, remember when this would happen to me? And she goes because she actually brought up the fact that it used to happen to grandpa carlos.

Speaker 2: 1:11:58

Okay, and that he would get mad if he would start cussing, like whatever. Like he was like started, like you know, saying stuff to them. She didn't really say what was the outcome, but she said that it would happen to him was that?

Speaker 3: 1:12:08

was that in mexico city, or here at the house, or?

Speaker 2: 1:12:11

she didn't give me details, but I'm thinking here because she was already around. My mom was already around, so obviously it was like when she probably lived on the same bill and you know his building, right, okay, so she was telling me that. So then I brought up, I'm like, hold on, I go. What about when it would happen to me? Mom, like I'm literally remembering right now that happened to me too and it happened to me a few times. It didn't happen to me in your room one time and she goes. It's because I didn't want you to get scared like she didn't. She basically said she didn't want to feed into it or conversate with me about it because she didn't want me to get scared. And I was like I was already scared. What are you talking about? I go, you made me feel like I was crazy.

Speaker 3: 1:12:50

Well, like all topics of life that are taboo, no, because we don't talk about it, it doesn't mean it doesn't exist. Right, it's not happening.

Speaker 2: 1:12:56

Right. So she was like no, no Es que de seguro estabas dormida. I'm like, oh my God. I'm like, so all this time you made me feel like you just didn't believe me, but you just didn't want me to get scared. I go, I felt so like wow, don't believe me. I felt like so alone, you know.

Speaker 2: 1:13:11

And so I was like I was giving her crap about it. But I was like, why did you say that to me? Like you could have told me the story about my grandpa. And then I would have been like oh, grandpa knows, let me go ask him about it or something you know or to validate, yeah, that you weren't going nuts or crazy yeah, but I got no validation whatsoever until like how many years later things come out as we get older because, at the end of the day, when our life.

Speaker 2: 1:13:33

They don't want to say it, but then later, when they feel like, oh, you're an adult, now we could tell you this is a real deal.

Speaker 3: 1:13:38

I mean, I felt exactly what you said and, um, it does surround us, so we have to also watch out who we're around.

Speaker 2: 1:13:44

Remember, they can jump on us.

Speaker 3: 1:13:45

They can you know.

Speaker 2: 1:13:46

Appear they can stare at us, they can just like just connect to whatever I know.

Speaker 3: 1:13:53

So it's a real deal. So it's exciting that you guys are exposing it and so I guess many people are going to be sharing their stories, like they've already done so far. But if you guys have a story, make sure to reach out to Laura and Esme to share your story.

Speaker 1: 1:14:05

I thought it was an interesting concept what your girls are doing.

Speaker 2: 1:14:10

So it's fun, but at the same time it's a little bit scary, because right now they're yeah, because I mean we're not really trying to like oh you know, put people to get all paranoid and stuff, but I mean I feel like sometimes people, they like it's kind of like me, they feel alone platform. Yeah, they don't have a platform. And me, like I like like, for example, when I told mom and she believed me I'm like, oh my god, like I would have liked to be able to disclose to someone that actually would have like open minds in hearing what I had to say and maybe if they knew like oh yeah, that happened to me too I wouldn't feel so alone, like okay, so like this is not just me, like going out of my mind or being crazy.

Speaker 3: 1:14:40

Exactly that's what I'm saying. When people can acknowledge that things like that are real, it takes the burden off like oh, that wasn't a lie, or you know it wasn't lying or it wasn't crazy, right.

Speaker 2: 1:14:48

Sometimes people just want to be acknowledged, that's all.

Speaker 3: 1:14:51

Exactly so. I think it's an acknowledgement. So I think this program that you have is also going to help people for their story to be acknowledged and to be heard and to be understood, because at the end of the day, people don't understand what they haven't gone through right. So I think that's a cool thing and I'm glad that you remembered about my story. I thought it was pretty crazy and cool and I hope somebody can identify with this story. Just say, hey, you know what, you're not alone, it happened, it's real and it still happened as an adult.

Speaker 2: 1:15:14

Yeah, a lot of the stories that we're getting is people with, like when they're an adult, like, for example, we had our friend Fernie Like, he did tell us some stories we shared, mostly when he was already a teenager and older. But we do have one more story that we haven't shared but we will be sharing in the future and it also was with him being like a child, like six years old, when he was like hiding from his cousin and something happened to him. So we'll put that on. Yeah, like, sometimes when people are kids, it could be the most traumatizing. And then you're less likely to be believed when you're around certain people because a lot of people, like I said, they dismiss children and their story.

Speaker 3: 1:15:48

Sometimes, I agree, but what are your thoughts now that you guys have heard the story again?

Speaker 2: 1:15:51

Well, it doesn't, it doesn't get old. Let me tell you that it really doesn't. It gets my brain like, just like, like. Oh my God.

Speaker 1: 1:16:07

And you provided way more details from what I had heard. So it's even more out of this world, because I thought it was already bad. But now, when you said like figurines were walking, a puppet literally told you to shh, and the dog, yeah because when I had told laura the story, I had only told her the cartoon sleeping with person sleeping in the bed, the lion, and then the person sleeping on the bed, and then I was like nuts.

Speaker 1: 1:16:24

But now even you mentioning the detail like the face stayed that way on the print of the pattern.

Speaker 2: 1:16:30

That really freaked me out. To be left with a reminder I can't wrap my head around it Kind of like Compass, like he leaves a reminder.

Speaker 1: 1:16:37

I can't wrap my head around it because I'm like well, the fabric is still fabric, it's still thread, like it's still printed. How did that change?

Speaker 3: 1:16:43

yeah, like how was that manipulated?

Speaker 1: 1:16:45

I can't wrap my head around.

Speaker 3: 1:16:47

It's something that's outside of the physical world yeah, they can manipulate anything and see what at the end was. What I think makes me shake and quiver is the fact that they want to like threaten you and they want to like intimidate you, and that's what they were trying to do, even with the little lion, you know. So he was mocking me.

Speaker 2: 1:17:03

The other man who was hugging my mother mocking me the, the little puppet that came out at the end, like hey, you know, he was threatening me, like hey, you know what, don't, he was uglier, so that that little thing was like, oh my god, very intimidating so I said I feel I'm shaking, just remembering the way he was looking at me and telling me and the little hand moving like you know, like shut up, like like and I also wonder, like let's say, your dad would not have believed you and they would not have found that bag as soon as you know, with things that the lady left behind, let's say that didn't occur because of whatever reason. Like let's say he didn't believe you or they didn't like really look around soon enough. Whatever, how far these entities willing to like go to like what probably continued.

Speaker 3: 1:17:41

Who knows what it would have led to.

Speaker 2: 1:17:42

But I mean? Yeah, I mean because it sounded very.

Speaker 3: 1:17:45

Imagine they could repeat it that every night. You know they could have tried to do something to us, maybe something to little to little, brian, at the time.

Speaker 2: 1:17:52

Oh no.

Speaker 3: 1:17:53

I mean, he was just a few months old, you know.

Speaker 2: 1:17:55

Yeah, it's like what, like what I had mentioned last time. They say or I don't know where I heard or read that after three years old because you're old enough to know right and wrong that's when entities start messing with you. That's how it's as early as they start messing with you. So this is the first time that I ever heard actually a person that was three years old, you know so it doesn't make sense to me what you're telling me.

Speaker 3: 1:18:12

So it backs up the story and that I was aware at that age and I was. I can recall many other things uh, just normal things that happen. I remember little stories and situations with my dad no, yeah, definitely, yeah, definitely.

Speaker 2: 1:18:23

Well, I appreciate very, very much telling us this story and relating it, and allow me to share it with our listeners, because I think most people will appreciate something like this.

Speaker 3: 1:18:33

Well, I'm looking forward to hearing the feedback of other people's experiences, that they can come on and share them, and I hope that they enjoy the story. I hope it makes them shake and quiver too, imagining what a little human being can go through, and even as an adult we can shake and quiver under some others experiences and change. It says just a little child, so it less it creates a lasting imprint. But thank you again, esme, for the invite. Thank you, laura, for your audience who support you and who also share their stories. You know send blessings and you know looking forward to hearing some stories back from all of you. So thank you so much I'm excited, yeah, thank you.

Speaker 1: 1:19:04

And well, something that I always tell people when it's like a crazy ugly story, I'm always like I hope that never happens to you again, but if it does, you have a place right here to tell us if you ever see part two again or biting you.

Speaker 3: 1:19:17

Yeah, we'll get back on and do that. Yes, well, thank you ladies.

Speaker 2: 1:19:21

All right, brucey.

Speaker 1: 1:19:21

Well, thank you once again so what did you think of that? Everyone I, as I mentioned like a million times, I have always thought this story was so cool. And what are your thoughts?

Speaker 2: 1:19:35

Yeah, it was really cool to hear it again from the horse's mouth. Thank you, bruce. Once again, he's not a horse, it's a saying. In reality, I'm glad I heard it from him again because, yeah, like there was details that I didn't really remember. There was a lot of extras that I like the turtles and the dog that almost bit him. I didn't remember any of that. I still hear it again and it's such a outrageous story. You're like what?

Speaker 1: 1:19:56

yeah, hopefully there's. Like you know, god protects all these other little kids, because I think part of why it's so unique and interesting is because of his age, like we already touched on. You know, we already said- that, but I don't know. It makes me kind of like not sad, but I'm just concerned that you know everyone's no one's basically safe from anything. People you know, like kids, old people, like the whole spectrum of a human being is at risk of experiencing something and hopefully you know.

Speaker 2: 1:20:29

Yeah, and it's kind of like what we had said before, that you know there's so many kids that probably experience things, but you know their parents either a don't believe them and then as they grow they forget, or they chalk it up to like it was my imagination. How many kids out there probably think they would imagine certain things? Or oh yeah, I used to pretend this, I used to pretend that, but it's like no, you weren't pretending. You're actually seeing certain things. Um, but they already know what's right and wrong, that they could be attacked. They could be under attack spirits, demons, entities, devil, whatever the hell and that sucks.

Speaker 1: 1:20:54

Yeah, that's pretty enlightening information. Maybe more people should know about it. That the age is three, I know, but um, yeah, we hope that it was a good, very enticing story for you know, listeners, I'm sure it was, because, in comparison to all the other stories we've shared I mean, they each have their own plot that is like damn. I wouldn't want that to happen to me, but this one, like I said, is one of my favorites. I've heard it a few times, but never like this.

Speaker 2: 1:21:20

So hopefully everybody enjoyed it. Let us know, send us an email, if you have a scary story that you want to share with us, and let us know what you thought about this one. Yes, definitely, let us know what you think about this and remember thank you for subscribing, if you haven't already. So till next time. Bye, happy New Year. Thanks for watching.